lowenb said:
A senator willing to send troops but not fund them sends a mixed message, only one of four to make such a decision. Would of been less to criticize Kerry voted like other six who were opposed to both sending and funding.
The reason he voted for before he voted against the funding isnt because he is a flip flopper. The two bills were fundamentally different. One of them, the one he voted against, was a circle jerk of a funding bill which would just give a bunch of bush buddies a piece of the Iraqi gang rape. I dont fucking blame him for trying to put that shit to an end. Of course this part of the story is never told because people dont want explanations of an issue that exceed two sentences.
I have pretty much lost hope at this point.
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Michael_DeSade
Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL
SEP 09, 2004 10:39 AM
The day Americans allow international opinion to affect their vote is the day America should cede it's sovereignity to the United Nations. It's no suprise the socialist democracies around the world prefer a socialist democrat in the White House, but the truth is I don't give a sunny fuck what anyone thinks about the candidates. The only opinion that matters when I cast my ballot is mine.
The member who started this thread seems to think that by posting this drivel he can goad the rest of the flock into voting for Kerry, as if the members of this site are sitting on the fence. Can we just quit with this crap? Can we drop the Vietnam reminiscing, the stupid France-bashing, the insipid name calling, and the paranoid conspiracy theories?
You know, it's ok to root for your candidates and voice their ideas. It's not okay to bemoan the problems of modern politics, then participate in the activities that propagate those problems. To date, this campaign has been more about who did what 3 decades ago than it has been about what happens over the next four years and beyond. Crap threads like this really aren't helping change that, either.
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sixblueten
Healdsburg, CA
July 2004
SEP 09, 2004 10:56 AM
SBastard,
I think you're missing an essential point. The international community is BETTER read, BETTER educated, and knows one hell of a lot more about world affairs than the U.S. citizenry. Their opinion should be valued much as one would value the opinion of an older, smarter, more experienced sibling. The answer lies not with taking this opinion too seriously, or with a grain of salt, but somewhere in the middle. To clap one's hands over one's ears and wave a red, white and blue ribbon while shouting, "LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" is complete foolishness. Listening is always instrumental when one is trying to learn. Certainly you would agree that you have more to learn about the world, no? Why not let the world tell you about itself?
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Brinstar
Chicago, IL
September 2002
SEP 09, 2004 04:05 PM
'If you're curious, I can assure you that we in Australia prefer Kerry in a big way. And we love mocking the US for electing such a fucking goon as president.
But then we remember that you guys didn't actually elect him - you elected Al Gore. We, on the other hand, have elected a fucking goon two times in a row. And it was legitimate.'
TheRedBaron
Cambridge, MA
November 2003
SEP 09, 2004 10:28 AM