Islam & Terrorism

sixblueten said:

The fighting could have ended in one of two ways. 1. The Northern Irish stop opposing U.K. occupation.
2. The U.K. allows Northern Ireland it's independence.

SirPsychoSexy said:

SirPsychoSexy said:

UpTight said:

besides

RabidShrew said:

1. The 'U.K ' never occupied Northern Ireland; neither does Britain.

2. The majority of the Northern Irish population wish to remain part of the U.K.; it is the minority Catholic population that don't want Northern Ireland to remain part of the U.K., they don't, however, wish for Northern Irish independance; they want Irish Republic rule.

3. Northern Ireland was an independant nation of the U.K. before the violence started. It was the terrorist activity that forced the closing of the Northern Irish parliament. Northern Ireland is now independant again.

*pedant alert* I appologise for my nit-pickyness, but the U.K. and Britain are not the same thing. The full title of the U.K. is 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man'.

AllWaysBeClosing said:
This is already a long and probably mostly unread thread... but here is my two cents.

The Unabomber was also a terrorist. Timothy McVeigh was also a terrorist... so was Gandhi and Malcolm X.... etc etc... and now Muslims.

Terrorism is just the term we give to militant armies without a recognized state.

sixblueten said:

That's where I, who knows little of this, get confused. I was under the impression that England's armed forces acted as agents of the "United Kingdom." This is why I used "U.K." instead of "England." Also, I wasn't trying to be historically accurate with my comparisons. Instead, I was attempting to loosly reinforce the point that was being made, which was roughly - "If Side A or Side B stops, there is no war." Cheers!

Sept 1.

Ahmad Al-Jarallah, editor of the Kuwaiti Daily Al-Siyassa and the Arab Times wrote this article in support of President Bush:

"We are with President Bush who has said, 'I am the man who makes history.' Who, other than President Bush, can launch a war against terrorism? Who else will come to the rescue of people suppressed by dictators? Who else was there to build and develop nations? And above all who made democracy the new international system for all the people in this world?

"None of the Middle Eastern countries could face terrorism alone. Some of them went to the extent of making compromises and allying with terrorist organizations. These countries were afraid to kick out terrorists until the United States arrived on the scene, heading a coalition of the willing to root out terrorism. Some people may be skeptical about what the U.S. has achieved. But we know it has not only liberated Afghanistan from Taliban and its ally Osama Bin Laden but also created a modern democratic country with its own police, army and other civil institutions. The United States has also liberated the Iraqi people and created a modern country from the ruins of the former regime. There are some people who still call the war to liberate Iraq as 'baseless,' citing the failure of Americans to find any weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

"What they forget is the Americans did find many mass graves where millions had been buried alive. This alone is enough to prove Saddam's regime was more lethal than any WMD man has known.

"Quite recently the U.S. forces have cleansed the holy places in Najaf of the remnants of the former regime and other infiltrators. When we consider all these there is no doubt Bush is a man who creates history. Western countries, which were against Bush in his war on terrorism, are now feeling the painful stings of terrorism. France has two of its citizens kidnapped in Iraq. The kidnappers have threatened to behead the French hostages if France fails to reconsider its law, which bans Muslim women from wearing hijab in schools.

"Terrorism can be tackled only through war and only the United States, backed by a President who creates history, is capable of handling such a war. We must remember Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorists exploit the religion to achieve their objective, which is to destroy civilization, kill people, start wars and plunge the world into darkness. We saw how these terrorists kidnapped and killed innocent people under the cloak of religion only to forget all about their cause in exchange for a fistful of dollars.

"The entire world is aware of the cause and effect of terrorism. The killing and beheading of some innocent people won't prevent the United States or its allies from confronting terrorism. Americans are convinced of the need to fight this menace and no country is better equipped to do this job except the United States, which has the mightiest armed forces history has ever known. President Bush has the right to say 'I am the man who makes history' because he is fighting aggression against modern civilization. He is creating countries which enjoy democracy, peace, stability and security. These countries are now able to be a part of the international community sharing their traditions and culture with the rest of the humanity. Bush is the President of not only the United States but the whole world for he is making history on this small planet."

Akrasia said:
Maybe they have a history of freedomfighting because they keep getting invaded and oppressed by christians.

MonsterJoe said:

What? Do you realize that Most of the Middle East and all of North Africa were Christian before the Muslims conquered them? What is modern day Turkey was Christian Byzantium until the Muslim Turks invaded it AFTER the crusades. I don't know of a whole lot of Christian oppresion going on in any Muslim country. They're being oppressed by they're own leaders.

Now, it's a whole different argument if you want to talk about US foriegn policy supporting said leaders, but even so you'll never convince me that Mubarak and the house of Saud are US pawns. But what do I know?