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Zofia

Zofia

Australia
June 2004

SEP 04, 2004 12:26 AM

Prior to 2001, the chechen rebels were referred to as 'freedom fighters'.

Now they're referred to as terrorists.

And its about bloody time.

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 04, 2004 12:44 AM

Zofia said:
Prior to 2001, the chechen rebels were referred to as 'freedom fighters'.

Now they're referred to as terrorists.

And its about bloody time.



Ummm, no, Putin rode to the presidency by declaring them terrorists and selling the Russian people a police operation in 1999. That's worked out real well.

Iraq anyone?

Zofia

Zofia

Australia
June 2004

SEP 04, 2004 12:50 AM

I'm talking about the Western Media. Shit, I hardly thought the Russians would refer to violent separatists as 'freedom fighters'.

royaljack

royaljack

Brooklyn, NY
OLD SKOOL

SEP 04, 2004 01:06 AM

rockymtn_mike said:
OK, This is how I would handle the situation. TALK TO THE TERRORIST ! ! ! !



Since you missed it the first time.

Alla Gadieyeva, 24, who was taken captive with her 7-year-old son and mother, said the militants displayed terrifying brutality from the start. One gunman, whose pockets were stuffed with grenades, held up the corpse of a man just shot in front of hundreds of hostages and warned: "If a child utters even a sound, we'll kill another one."



Yeah, talking would work in a situation like that. First, they clearly DO NOT want to talk. Second, talking to thugs like that only reinforces the message that tactics like these are acceptable. Reasoning with terrorists who have threatened death and do not want to talk themselves is sheer idiocy.

I will guarentee that the chechens didn't fire the first shot that ended in the bloody aftermath.



Your career as a detective is never going to come through at this rate. Here's the breakdown of what happened from Russian reports via the BBC:

At 0730 (0330GMT) this morning, after lengthy negotiations, the bandits said that they were ready to give up the bodies and we assembled a group from the emergencies department.

At about 1300, there were two powerful explosions. Hostages started running out of the school.

They started shooting at the fleeing children and adults.

I would like to note that we were not planning to use any force

In order to save the lives of the hostages, we started returning fire.



There you have it. Those sneaky Russians "tricked" the Chechens by using their psychic power to set off explosives and collapse the roof of the building. Also, using Russian mind control satellites, those sneaky Russians forced those "kind hearted" Chechens to kill hostages as they fled. I'm telling you, Russian mind control is quite an amazing thing!

The chechens were talking to the Russian Government and offering to remove the children and have food and medical attention brought in but I what happened most likely is that the russian tried to trick them and the chechens responded.



You're basing this "fact" on what? Your own prejudice towards the Russians or any large authority figure? Who is the one being prejudiced and dense here. Just because someone adopts a rebel pose does not mean they are right or just. In this case, apologizing for the Chechen militants is simply idiocy.

Ok i can tell your the type of guy who calls Arabs "Sand Niggers" or "Dune Coons" but not everybody in Chechnya is a terrorist and the same is for the Middle East there are white terrorist too I.E. IRA or Tim McViegh.



At least you are proving that you are indeed a complete idiot. And I truly mean that.

Please reread my previous posts in this thread where I talk about the Chechen MILITANTS being bastards. And how the Chechen MILITANTS don't speak for the Chechen people. Why you are tripping over to defend thugs like this shows how low some people go in efforts to defend "noble savages".

I'm well aware of the difference between terrorists of a certain stripe and the people they claim to represent. In this case, find the militants and bring them to justice or kill them. Simple as that.

The Irish are good people. The IRA can drop dead.
The Palestinians are tragic but innocent. The PLO, Hammas, and every other splinter group are a bunch of bastards.
Americans are great. But Timothy McVeigh deserved to die. And Terry Nichols should spend the rest of his life in the hole.
Chechen people have been shafted for years. Chechen militants can drop dead.

The list goes on and on.

[Edited on Sep 04, 2004 by royaljack]

NimChimpsky

NimChimpsky

Oakland, CA
March 2004

SEP 04, 2004 01:11 AM



Citizens with light arms also began returning fire at the bandits.



WTF?

royaljack

royaljack

Brooklyn, NY
OLD SKOOL

SEP 04, 2004 01:23 AM

MisterDionysos said:


Citizens with light arms also began returning fire at the bandits.



WTF?



Local residents did form a posse of sorts. And who can blame them.

Your loved ones--wives, kids, husbands...--are stuck inside with suicidal loons for three days and were even at the point where due to lack of water people were drinking their own urine.

I dare any of the "Hey, let's talk to them..." morons in this thread to act differently if it was their family members inside.

But just to be in the spirit of some others: Blame the Russians! Blame the Americans! Big government is to blame for everything! Blame the Russians! Blame the Americans! Big government is to blame for everything! Blame the Russians! Blame the Americans! Big government is to blame for everything! Blame the Russians! Blame the Americans! Big government is to blame for everything! Blame the Russians! Blame the Americans! Big government is to blame for everything!

Oh and hey, before people pounce on the BBC for being biased for whatever reason, read what the Turks are reporting.

[Edited on Sep 04, 2004 by royaljack]

Max16Characters

Max16Characters

Korea, Republic Of
March 2003

SEP 04, 2004 10:08 AM

rockymtn_mike said:

royaljack said:

rockymtn_mike said:
If this happened american 150 deaths would be unacceptible. But since it happened in Russia its ok. I guess it only matters if more people survived than died. So by your judgement 9/11 was that bad because 10,000 or more people lived and only 3,000 died right ???



You're proving your intelligence by leaps and bounds. If this happened in America the outrage towards the hostage takers would be the same and the bitter acceptance that authorities did their best would be accepted.

But more to the point, how about you send me a PowerPoint presentation explaining how you would manage such a situation if bombs were set off in the building the hostages were in and escaping children were being gunned down.

Provide a solution that would have been better given this situation and then you win. Otherwise you are--and continue to be--a complete fucking idiot.




OK, This is how I would handle the situation. TALK TO THE TERRORIST ! ! ! !

I will guarentee that the chechens didn't fire the first shot that ended in the bloody aftermath. The chechens were talking to the Russian Government and offering to remove the children and have food and medical attention brought in but I what happened most likely is that the russian tried to trick them and the chechens responded. Ok i can tell your the type of guy who calls Arabs "Sand Niggers" or "Dune Coons" but not everybody in Chechnya is a terrorist and the same is for the Middle East there are white terrorist too I.E. IRA or Tim McViegh.



BULL SHIT! The terrorists were indescriminately killing children before and during "negotiations." Shooting kids in the back as they tried to flee for their lives. Shooting kids in gym. The death toll is over 320. There is absolutely no redeeming quality whatsover about these people and there's no negotiating with them either. Anyone who takes hostage children and begins killing them to make a statement is beyond being talked to.

plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

SEP 04, 2004 12:01 PM

rockymtn_mike said:
OK, This is how I would handle the situation. TALK TO THE TERRORIST ! ! ! !

I will guarentee that the chechens didn't fire the first shot that ended in the bloody aftermath. The chechens were talking to the Russian Government and offering to remove the children and have food and medical attention brought in but I what happened most likely is that the russian tried to trick them and the chechens responded. Ok i can tell your the type of guy who calls Arabs "Sand Niggers" or "Dune Coons" but not everybody in Chechnya is a terrorist and the same is for the Middle East there are white terrorist too I.E. IRA or Tim McViegh.



Have you read a single one of the news reports of what happened? Did you miss the part about the final firefight being touched off by the terrorists setting off explosives inside the building and beginning to kill their hostages? Exactly how would talking have helped a goddamn thing?

Gnarface_Killah

Gnarface_Killah

Denver, CO
January 2004

SEP 04, 2004 12:11 PM

I admit that I was wrong in my views. The Russians responded correctly in how they reacted to the events in Beslan. Sorry to royaljack for the uncalled for attack on his views of the Chechen People or any other group that have a minority of terrorist groups. I.E. Ireland or the Middle East. I will not try to change the topic of my incorrectness but the picture is that more than340 people are dead and alot of them are children. God bless them and the Russian people who are strong and will rise above the cowardness of these killers.

darwinsjoke

darwinsjoke

Virginia Beach, VA
July 2003

SEP 04, 2004 12:15 PM

rockymtn_mike said:

royaljack said:

rockymtn_mike said:
If this happened american 150 deaths would be unacceptible. But since it happened in Russia its ok. I guess it only matters if more people survived than died. So by your judgement 9/11 was that bad because 10,000 or more people lived and only 3,000 died right ???



You're proving your intelligence by leaps and bounds. If this happened in America the outrage towards the hostage takers would be the same and the bitter acceptance that authorities did their best would be accepted.

But more to the point, how about you send me a PowerPoint presentation explaining how you would manage such a situation if bombs were set off in the building the hostages were in and escaping children were being gunned down.

Provide a solution that would have been better given this situation and then you win. Otherwise you are--and continue to be--a complete fucking idiot.




OK, This is how I would handle the situation. TALK TO THE TERRORIST ! ! ! !

I will guarentee that the chechens didn't fire the first shot that ended in the bloody aftermath. The chechens were talking to the Russian Government and offering to remove the children and have food and medical attention brought in but I what happened most likely is that the russian tried to trick them and the chechens responded. Ok i can tell your the type of guy who calls Arabs "Sand Niggers" or "Dune Coons" but not everybody in Chechnya is a terrorist and the same is for the Middle East there are white terrorist too I.E. IRA or Tim McViegh.



would you like to revise your guarantee in light of the actual news reports about the terrorists opening fire on running school children? take the opportunity to pull your foot out of your mouth.

Gnarface_Killah

Gnarface_Killah

Denver, CO
January 2004

SEP 04, 2004 12:23 PM

darwinsjoke said:

rockymtn_mike said:

royaljack said:

rockymtn_mike said:
If this happened american 150 deaths would be unacceptible. But since it happened in Russia its ok. I guess it only matters if more people survived than died. So by your judgement 9/11 was that bad because 10,000 or more people lived and only 3,000 died right ???



You're proving your intelligence by leaps and bounds. If this happened in America the outrage towards the hostage takers would be the same and the bitter acceptance that authorities did their best would be accepted.

But more to the point, how about you send me a PowerPoint presentation explaining how you would manage such a situation if bombs were set off in the building the hostages were in and escaping children were being gunned down.

Provide a solution that would have been better given this situation and then you win. Otherwise you are--and continue to be--a complete fucking idiot.




OK, This is how I would handle the situation. TALK TO THE TERRORIST ! ! ! !

I will guarentee that the chechens didn't fire the first shot that ended in the bloody aftermath. The chechens were talking to the Russian Government and offering to remove the children and have food and medical attention brought in but I what happened most likely is that the russian tried to trick them and the chechens responded. Ok i can tell your the type of guy who calls Arabs "Sand Niggers" or "Dune Coons" but not everybody in Chechnya is a terrorist and the same is for the Middle East there are white terrorist too I.E. IRA or Tim McViegh.



would you like to revise your guarantee in light of the actual news reports about the terrorists opening fire on running school children? take the opportunity to pull your foot out of your mouth.




I WAS WRONG ! ! ! ! !


plonk

plonk

Campbell, CA
February 2003

SEP 04, 2004 01:08 PM

rockymtn_mike said:
I WAS WRONG ! ! ! ! !



These words on any CE thread deserve a news story of their own.

decommissioned

decommissioned

Churchs Ferry, ND
January 2003

SEP 07, 2004 12:56 PM

cthav said:
I think Stan Tenon, in unexpected ways, has done wonders to reconcile the different major religions.
http://www.meru.org/PeaceGeometry/PeacewithGeometry.html
http://www.meru.org/PeaceGeometry/Reconciliation.html



I need to believe that this post was a joke.

I forced myself through the two linked articles, and the only thing Stan Tenon has reconciled is my belief that there is truly someone out there who will believe absolutely anything.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

SEP 07, 2004 02:24 PM

rockymtn_mike said:
I admit that I was wrong in my views. The Russians responded correctly in how they reacted to the events in Beslan. Sorry to royaljack for the uncalled for attack on his views of the Chechen People or any other group that have a minority of terrorist groups. I.E. Ireland or the Middle East.



The humilty to admit when you've been wrong about someone is rare. I commend your integrity.

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 07, 2004 02:27 PM

rockymtn_mike said:
I admit that I was wrong in my views. The Russians responded correctly in how they reacted to the events in Beslan. Sorry to royaljack for the uncalled for attack on his views of the Chechen People or any other group that have a minority of terrorist groups. I.E. Ireland or the Middle East. I will not try to change the topic of my incorrectness but the picture is that more than340 people are dead and alot of them are children. God bless them and the Russian people who are strong and will rise above the cowardness of these killers.



ARRR!!!

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

SEP 07, 2004 03:29 PM

Apparently, one good kidnapping deserves another.



ZNAMENSKOYE, Russia — It was 6 a.m. when Russian soldiers hoisted themselves over the wall, crashed through the window and broke down the front door. Their quarries were still asleep.

Shouting, shoving and kicking, the soldiers pushed 67-year-old Khavazh Semiyev and his wife into a truck waiting outside, then went back for the others — his two sons and two nephews, his son's wife, his 52-year-old sister. Then — and Semiyev couldn't believe his eyes — they went back for his grandchildren: Mansur, 11 years old. Malkhazni, 9. And Mamed, 7.

They were driven in their nightclothes and socks through the empty early morning streets of Chechnya to the Russian army's command center at Khankala. There, the men were forced onto their knees with their heads on the ground. Sacks were pulled over their heads, and their hands were tied behind their backs. For the next 24 hours, anyone who moved from that position got kicked.

One day into the seizure of more than 1,000 hostages by suspected Chechen separatists in the town of Beslan, Russia now had its own hostages. Altogether, an estimated 40 family members of senior Chechen rebel leaders were assembled at Khankala from Thursday, a day after the hostage seizure in Beslan, until Saturday, the day after it ended.

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