Dreadful Scenes

You know, its terribly convenient that you have all the time in the world to argue about arguing, and yet your position strangely avoids having to address your preposterous distortions and juvenile analyses when called on them. I'm sure thats just coincidence though.

I'll throw it out again for the masses: Anybody actually think that "As much as you wish to believe that Muslims by virtue of their faith are somehow extra special double plus bad" is a vile slur? Or perhaps UpTight is just manufacturing a self-serving affront to avoid repeated embarrassment on the facts?

Back to you, Gertrude.

SO? That has absolutely nothing to do with it!

Tell you what. We'll sit back and wait for the condemnations of this terror attack from the Muslim community. If we hear Saudi and Arab Muslim charities and groups condemning these attacks as barbaric and unrepresentative of the Religion of Peace, I'll buy you a Coke.

How about a Q'uibla Cola instead?

It's interesting to see how 10 years of Putin's response to Chechnya:

"Fuck negotiation. Crack down and send more troops."

is working out for them. Maybe an analogy could be drawn? A lesson learned?

Nahhhh..

I think what he's saying is chicks are wimps.

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimps.

You, my friend, are fucking rad.

Ooh yes - let's wait for some people to come along and tell me how I should feel.

It's actually quite interesting, now I come to think about it. I have only ever attacked millitants & extremists, but you accuse me of attacking "Muslims by virtue of their faith". Can you actually see the difference between ordinary Muslims and the fringe, cult group nutcases? You seem to lump them all together in your slur. Perhaps it is YOU that has the problem with Muslims.

I think the reason you aren't apologising is because it's much safer for you to deal with someone who won't pick apart your useless points.

There's an idea 'bate - just lay enough random insults on people - call them "racists", "homophobes", "misogynists" etc. for no good reason at all - then perhaps nobody will talk to you...

Well, it would be a barometer of whether how you feel is reasonable. You're basically the guy standing in the supermarket demanding an apology because the milk you bought went bad before you drank it. Please note the only person to speak up remotely on your behalf is Stockula who said in essence "But Muslims are extra double plus bad".

Yes, thats it exactly. I don't differentiate at all among Muslims. Thats why I think its absurd to demand that all Muslims prostrate themselves before the rest of the world every time some wingnut goes and commits some barbarity. Terribly cogent.

This from the guy who wants us the "help" the Russians with their Chechen problem. I address your points Gertie, you've simply not the stomach to defend them in light of the facts.

But you are talking to me. Voluminously.

Of course. Chechnya is the Afghanistan of the 1990's, the #1 field for holy war. Many Arabs went to fight there to become martyrs after the end of the Afghan War. One of the major warlords in Chechnya, Khattab, was a Saudi citizen from northwest Saudi Arabia.

There are plenty of non-Chechen Muslim jihadists fighting in Chechnya, including some Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743470591/qid=1094334468/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-2104982-5980103?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

It was the next war for veterans of Afghanistan, and for eager Arabs wanting to might for Islam against the infidel. You can find Muslims from all over the Muslim world fighting in the Jihad du jour. Whether in Nigeria, Liberia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan. Arabs turn up in the darndest places.

[Edited on Sep 04, 2004 by stockula]

And repeating it of course makes it so. Especially if one wingnut wrote a tell all quickie paperback.

wow - let's explore this - are you owning up to lumping ordinary Muslims in with the extreme Islamists, Wahabists and terrorists? Do we have an admission that you think they are all one and the same?

I've said I'll answer your posts if you apologise for accusing me of religious hatred against Muslims.

If you think I'm avoiding you then call my bluff and apologise! I dare ya!




[Edited on Sep 05, 2004 by UpTight]

Do they not have sarcasm on your planet?

[Edited on Sep 05, 2004 by reprobate]

So basically, you'll prattle on forever on anything but the topic at hand until I apologize, but an insincere, strategic apology is perfectly acceptable?

You are a very odd duck.

Still avoiding ending this?

Okay - I've got another idea.

Let me ask you this - did you intend to imply that I think all Muslims are bad?

Are you talking about the Russians or the Chechens?

Is everything a political with you? Do you ever just say "Wow, that just sucks" or are you always looking for someone to blame?

Right because politics has nothing to do with the Russian/Chechan conflict. Listen, nothing justifies what's being done on BOTH sides of this conflict. Especially when children become part of this fucked-up game. I'm just saying they're BOTH fucked up.

What would you say if the Russians gave a Chechan school a salvo from a heavy artillery battery? Would you be so flip?

I'm not sure if you're trying to make sense of this but I don't think anyone will justify any atrocities which has been committed by both sides. Are you saying the Russian military has been benevolent?

They prefer FABs and surface to surface missiles for high density urban warfare, actually.