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reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 03, 2004 08:07 PM

UpTight said:
wriggle all you like, but you'll always looks like a landed mackerel



You know, its terribly convenient that you have all the time in the world to argue about arguing, and yet your position strangely avoids having to address your preposterous distortions and juvenile analyses when called on them. I'm sure thats just coincidence though.

I'll throw it out again for the masses: Anybody actually think that "As much as you wish to believe that Muslims by virtue of their faith are somehow extra special double plus bad" is a vile slur? Or perhaps UpTight is just manufacturing a self-serving affront to avoid repeated embarrassment on the facts?

Back to you, Gertrude.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

SEP 04, 2004 12:21 AM

Max16Characters said:
An overwhelming percentage of Chechens are Muslim.



SO? That has absolutely nothing to do with it!

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

SEP 04, 2004 12:25 AM

reprobate said:

UpTight said:
wriggle all you like, but you'll always looks like a landed mackerel



You know, its terribly convenient that you have all the time in the world to argue about arguing, and yet your position strangely avoids having to address your preposterous distortions and juvenile analyses when called on them. I'm sure thats just coincidence though.

I'll throw it out again for the masses: Anybody actually think that "As much as you wish to believe that Muslims by virtue of their faith are somehow extra special double plus bad" is a vile slur? Or perhaps UpTight is just manufacturing a self-serving affront to avoid repeated embarrassment on the facts?

Back to you, Gertrude.




Tell you what. We'll sit back and wait for the condemnations of this terror attack from the Muslim community. If we hear Saudi and Arab Muslim charities and groups condemning these attacks as barbaric and unrepresentative of the Religion of Peace, I'll buy you a Coke.

Zofia

Zofia

Australia
June 2004

SEP 04, 2004 12:48 AM

How about a Q'uibla Cola instead?

Keith

Keith

Oklahoma City, OK
August 2002

SEP 04, 2004 12:52 AM

It's interesting to see how 10 years of Putin's response to Chechnya:

"Fuck negotiation. Crack down and send more troops."

is working out for them. Maybe an analogy could be drawn? A lesson learned?

Nahhhh..

Jeff_Fries

Jeff_Fries

Humptulips, WA
September 2003

SEP 04, 2004 12:58 AM

reprobate said:
Or what? You'll bombard us with more faux history? All humans, men and women use the means available to them to assert themselves. In absolutely every instance where women were given the same means as men, they used the same means as men. I suggest you read a book on the Tudors just for starts before offering tripe such as "The accounts of cruelty and hatred perpetrated on such a large scale by women are much fewer and far between, being anecdotal at best."


I think what he's saying is chicks are wimps.

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimps.

mtlqueen

mtlqueen

Toronto, ON
September 2002

SEP 04, 2004 12:59 AM

papawheelie said:
so these women who are willing to die for their beliefs have no will of their own and are "seeking empowerment by emulating men"? you, my friend, are a cheuvanist.




You, my friend, are fucking rad.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

SEP 04, 2004 02:08 AM

reprobate said:
I'll throw it out again for the masses: Anybody actually think that "As much as you wish to believe that Muslims by virtue of their faith are somehow extra special double plus bad" is a vile slur? Or perhaps UpTight is just manufacturing a self-serving affront to avoid repeated embarrassment on the facts?

Back to you, Gertrude.



Ooh yes - let's wait for some people to come along and tell me how I should feel.

It's actually quite interesting, now I come to think about it. I have only ever attacked millitants & extremists, but you accuse me of attacking "Muslims by virtue of their faith". Can you actually see the difference between ordinary Muslims and the fringe, cult group nutcases? You seem to lump them all together in your slur. Perhaps it is YOU that has the problem with Muslims.

I think the reason you aren't apologising is because it's much safer for you to deal with someone who won't pick apart your useless points.

There's an idea 'bate - just lay enough random insults on people - call them "racists", "homophobes", "misogynists" etc. for no good reason at all - then perhaps nobody will talk to you...

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 04, 2004 09:57 AM

UpTight said:
reprobate said:
I'll throw it out again for the masses: Anybody actually think that "As much as you wish to believe that Muslims by virtue of their faith are somehow extra special double plus bad" is a vile slur? Or perhaps UpTight is just manufacturing a self-serving affront to avoid repeated embarrassment on the facts?

Back to you, Gertrude.



Ooh yes - let's wait for some people to come along and tell me how I should feel.



Well, it would be a barometer of whether how you feel is reasonable. You're basically the guy standing in the supermarket demanding an apology because the milk you bought went bad before you drank it. Please note the only person to speak up remotely on your behalf is Stockula who said in essence "But Muslims are extra double plus bad".


It's actually quite interesting, now I come to think about it. I have only ever attacked millitants & extremists, but you accuse me of attacking "Muslims by virtue of their faith". Can you actually see the difference between ordinary Muslims and the fringe, cult group nutcases? You seem to lump them all together in your slur. Perhaps it is YOU that has the problem with Muslims.



Yes, thats it exactly. I don't differentiate at all among Muslims. Thats why I think its absurd to demand that all Muslims prostrate themselves before the rest of the world every time some wingnut goes and commits some barbarity. Terribly cogent.

I think the reason you aren't apologising is because it's much safer for you to deal with someone who won't pick apart your useless points.



This from the guy who wants us the "help" the Russians with their Chechen problem. I address your points Gertie, you've simply not the stomach to defend them in light of the facts.


There's an idea 'bate - just lay enough random insults on people - call them "racists", "homophobes", "misogynists" etc. for no good reason at all - then perhaps nobody will talk to you...



But you are talking to me. Voluminously.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

SEP 04, 2004 02:42 PM

UpTight said:
The news is just saying that 9 of the terrorists were Arabs confused confused confused

Does anyone know if there are links between Al Qaeda and the Chechens?




Of course. Chechnya is the Afghanistan of the 1990's, the #1 field for holy war. Many Arabs went to fight there to become martyrs after the end of the Afghan War. One of the major warlords in Chechnya, Khattab, was a Saudi citizen from northwest Saudi Arabia.

stockula

stockula

Anchorage, AK
May 2003

SEP 04, 2004 02:44 PM

d20 said:
so back on topic...

UpTight you're seriously wondering why Arabs were fighting in Chechnya? go back twenty years to the last time it happened... they're either proxies, or mercenaries martyrs.



There are plenty of non-Chechen Muslim jihadists fighting in Chechnya, including some Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743470591/qid=1094334468/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-2104982-5980103?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

It was the next war for veterans of Afghanistan, and for eager Arabs wanting to might for Islam against the infidel. You can find Muslims from all over the Muslim world fighting in the Jihad du jour. Whether in Nigeria, Liberia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan. Arabs turn up in the darndest places.

[Edited on Sep 04, 2004 by stockula]

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 04, 2004 03:41 PM

stockula said:

d20 said:
so back on topic...

UpTight you're seriously wondering why Arabs were fighting in Chechnya? go back twenty years to the last time it happened... they're either proxies, or mercenaries martyrs.



There are plenty of non-Chechen Muslim jihadists fighting in Chechnya, including some Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0743470591/qid=1094334468/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/102-2104982-5980103?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

It was the next war for veterans of Afghanistan, and for eager Arabs wanting to might for Islam against the infidel. You can find Muslims from all over the Muslim world fighting in the Jihad du jour. Whether in Nigeria, Liberia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, Pakistan. Arabs turn up in the darndest places.

[Edited on Sep 04, 2004 by stockula]



And repeating it of course makes it so. Especially if one wingnut wrote a tell all quickie paperback.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

SEP 05, 2004 09:30 AM

reprobate said:

UPTIGHT SAID:

It's actually quite interesting, now I come to think about it. I have only ever attacked millitants & extremists, but you accuse me of attacking "Muslims by virtue of their faith". Can you actually see the difference between ordinary Muslims and the fringe, cult group nutcases? You seem to lump them all together in your slur. Perhaps it is YOU that has the problem with Muslims.



Yes, thats it exactly. I don't differentiate at all among Muslims.





wow - let's explore this - are you owning up to lumping ordinary Muslims in with the extreme Islamists, Wahabists and terrorists? Do we have an admission that you think they are all one and the same?

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

SEP 05, 2004 09:37 AM

reprobate said:
I address your points Gertie, you've simply not the stomach to defend them in light of the facts.



I've said I'll answer your posts if you apologise for accusing me of religious hatred against Muslims.

If you think I'm avoiding you then call my bluff and apologise! I dare ya!




[Edited on Sep 05, 2004 by UpTight]

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 05, 2004 11:08 AM

UpTight said:

reprobate said:
UPTIGHT SAID:

It's actually quite interesting, now I come to think about it. I have only ever attacked millitants & extremists, but you accuse me of attacking "Muslims by virtue of their faith". Can you actually see the difference between ordinary Muslims and the fringe, cult group nutcases? You seem to lump them all together in your slur. Perhaps it is YOU that has the problem with Muslims.



Yes, thats it exactly. I don't differentiate at all among Muslims.





wow - let's explore this - are you owning up to lumping ordinary Muslims in with the extreme Islamists, Wahabists and terrorists? Do we have an admission that you think they are all one and the same?



Do they not have sarcasm on your planet?

[Edited on Sep 05, 2004 by reprobate]

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 05, 2004 11:11 AM

UpTight said:

reprobate said:
I address your points Gertie, you've simply not the stomach to defend them in light of the facts.



I've said I'll answer your posts if you apologise for accusing me of religious hatred against Muslims.

If you think I'm avoiding you then call my bluff and apologise! I dare ya!

[Edited on Sep 05, 2004 by UpTight]



So basically, you'll prattle on forever on anything but the topic at hand until I apologize, but an insincere, strategic apology is perfectly acceptable?

You are a very odd duck.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

SEP 05, 2004 12:22 PM

reprobate said:

So basically, you'll prattle on forever on anything but the topic at hand until I apologize, but an insincere, strategic apology is perfectly acceptable?



Still avoiding ending this?

Okay - I've got another idea.

Let me ask you this - did you intend to imply that I think all Muslims are bad?

Nic

Nic

SUICIDEGIRL

United Kingdom

SEP 05, 2004 04:50 PM

If they wanted to raise sympathy for their cause, then slaughtering schoolkids was a sterling way to do it.

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

SEP 05, 2004 04:54 PM

Nic said:
If they wanted to raise sympathy for their cause, then slaughtering schoolkids was a sterling way to do it.


Are you talking about the Russians or the Chechens? confused

Michael_DeSade

Michael_DeSade

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 05, 2004 05:00 PM

Raoul_Duke said:

Nic said:
If they wanted to raise sympathy for their cause, then slaughtering schoolkids was a sterling way to do it.


Are you talking about the Russians or the Chechens? confused



Is everything a political with you? Do you ever just say "Wow, that just sucks" or are you always looking for someone to blame?

ARRR!!!

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

SEP 05, 2004 05:04 PM

Sadistic_Bastard said:

Raoul_Duke said:

Nic said:
If they wanted to raise sympathy for their cause, then slaughtering schoolkids was a sterling way to do it.


Are you talking about the Russians or the Chechens? confused



Is everything a political with you? Do you ever just say "Wow, that just sucks" or are you always looking for someone to blame?

ARRR!!!


Right because politics has nothing to do with the Russian/Chechan conflict. Listen, nothing justifies what's being done on BOTH sides of this conflict. Especially when children become part of this fucked-up game. I'm just saying they're BOTH fucked up. frown

GhettoBlaster

GhettoBlaster

Cleveland, OH
September 2003

SEP 05, 2004 05:56 PM

What would you say if the Russians gave a Chechan school a salvo from a heavy artillery battery? Would you be so flip?

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

SEP 05, 2004 06:54 PM

I'm not sure if you're trying to make sense of this but I don't think anyone will justify any atrocities which has been committed by both sides. Are you saying the Russian military has been benevolent? confused

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 05, 2004 07:32 PM

levezletoi said:
What would you say if the Russians gave a Chechan school a salvo from a heavy artillery battery? Would you be so flip?



They prefer FABs and surface to surface missiles for high density urban warfare, actually.

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