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Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

SEP 02, 2004 09:01 PM

The Republican flirtation with Democratic Senator Zell Miller didn't last long. He's too right-wing even for them.

After gauging the harsh reaction from Democrats and Republicans alike to Sen. Zell Miller’s keynote address at the Republican National Convention, the Bush campaign — led by the first lady — backed away Thursday from Miller’s savage attack on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, insisting that the estranged Democrat was speaking only for himself.

Late Thursday, Miller and his wife were removed from the list of dignitaries who would be sitting in the first family’s box during the president’s acceptance speech later in the evening.

[...]

The change was made only a few hours after Laura Bush, asked about Miller’s speech, said in an interview with NBC News that “I don’t know that we share that point of view.” Aides to President Bush and his campaign said Miller was not speaking for all Republicans.


For those who missed it, Zell Miller's barn-burning speech has been published by Newsday.

troglodyte

troglodyte

Victoria, BC
May 2003

SEP 02, 2004 09:03 PM

What a guy!

TheSeadog

TheSeadog

Reunion
September 2004

SEP 02, 2004 09:08 PM

What you don't know, is that secretly the Neocons have invited Zell into the fold. In fact they're just now teaching him the secret handshake...

[Edited on Sep 02, 2004 9:08PM]

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

SEP 02, 2004 09:09 PM

troglodyte said:
What a guy!


tongue

Scopitone

Scopitone

Irvine, CA
OLD SKOOL

SEP 02, 2004 09:25 PM

What's up now, you Uptight dork?!

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

SEP 02, 2004 09:32 PM

What you all heard was an old fashion southern style political stump speech, a speech from a man that has no use for focus groups or consultants. He shot straight and tore Kerry a new one. I have been following the response. I haven't heard a single person try to defend Kerry's record in the senate. It has all been focused on Cheney did it too or they didn't serve in Vietnam. Bush has never wabered inspite of the winning the war on terror comment. Kerry doesn't have a plan to "win" the war on terror other than to try to bring the french and germans into the fold. The interesting thing is they haven't in the slightest bit expressed an interest in joining in regardless of who's president. Kerry runs on his Veitnam service to run from his senate record. What Sen Miller said distills my objections to Kerry into a speech

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

SEP 02, 2004 09:36 PM

FermatsEnigma said:
What you all heard was an old fashion southern style political stump speech, a speech from a man that has no use for focus groups or consultants. He shot straight and tore Kerry a new one. I have been following the response. I haven't heard a single person try to defend Kerry's record in the senate. It has all been focused on Cheney did it too or they didn't serve in Vietnam. Bush has never wabered inspite of the winning the war on terror comment. Kerry doesn't have a plan to "win" the war on terror other than to try to bring the french and germans into the fold. The interesting thing is they haven't in the slightest bit expressed an interest in joining in regardless of who's president. Kerry runs on his Veitnam service to run from his senate record. What Sen Miller said distills my objections to Kerry into a speech



It's funny you should say that...this is Zell Miller in 2001 talking about John Kerry. Check his website for confirmation.


It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.

I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.

I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.

My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders – and a good friend.

He was once a lieutenant governor – but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.

Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."

John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 – when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.

John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.

He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.

As many of you know, I have great affection – some might say an obsession – for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know … Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry.



So it would seem your Boy, Zell is Nothing More than A Republican Flip-Flopper!!!!!
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I guess you won't apologize for this or the other thread you lied in? frown
Just in case...

[Edited on Sep 02, 2004 by Raoul_Duke]

rottenart

rottenart

Norman, OK
February 2004

SEP 02, 2004 09:39 PM

who in their right mind would defend zell miller? even the bush's are keeping him at arm's length!

ItwasDuke

ItwasDuke

New York, NY
March 2004

SEP 02, 2004 09:43 PM

Bush Flip Flops...

Stubborn decisiveness is dangerous and not a good foreign policy...I'll leave the domestic policy for another thrashing... smile

Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

SEP 02, 2004 10:39 PM

rottenart said:
who in their right mind would defend zell miller? even the bush's are keeping him at arm's length!


I used to defend him, but that speech really bugged me. I wrote about it at length on my own blog.

Pav

Pav

I'm lost
February 2004

SEP 02, 2004 10:52 PM

I think I heard that speech before but it was hard to understand since it was in German.

llouys

llouys

Brazil
August 2003

SEP 02, 2004 10:52 PM

Not to get all conspiropsycho but,


okay, let's get all conspiropsycho.

Has the possibility of this whole thing being planned occurred to anyone else?

It does make Bush look more moderate by comparison, does it not?

EL SUICIDO LOCO

AceTracer

acetracer

Hollywood, FL
January 2004

SEP 02, 2004 11:10 PM

Dubya better watch out; Zell might challenge him to a duel.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

SEP 02, 2004 11:18 PM

Is anybody else terrified that we're suddenly going to find some WMDs in very late October or very (very) early November?

I'd love to think "Hey, that's too obvious," but when it comes to conventional wisdom, you know what they say...

otaku

otaku

USA
January 2004

SEP 02, 2004 11:30 PM

louys said:
Not to get all conspiropsycho but,


okay, let's get all conspiropsycho.

Has the possibility of this whole thing being planned occurred to anyone else?

It does make Bush look more moderate by comparison, does it not?

EL SUICIDO LOCO



Actually you might have a point there.

[Edited on Sep 02, 2004 11:51PM]

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

SEP 02, 2004 11:50 PM

FermatsEnigma said:
What you all heard was an old fashion southern style political stump speech, a speech from a man that has no use for focus groups or consultants. He shot straight and tore Kerry a new one. I have been following the response. I haven't heard a single person try to defend Kerry's record in the senate. It has all been focused on Cheney did it too or they didn't serve in Vietnam. Bush has never wabered inspite of the winning the war on terror comment. Kerry doesn't have a plan to "win" the war on terror other than to try to bring the french and germans into the fold. The interesting thing is they haven't in the slightest bit expressed an interest in joining in regardless of who's president. Kerry runs on his Veitnam service to run from his senate record. What Sen Miller said distills my objections to Kerry into a speech



"Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A southern man don’t need him around anyhow"

Doo doo doo.

low11

low11

Philadelphia, PA
May 2004

SEP 02, 2004 11:55 PM

It's hilarious that anyone with a membership to Suicide Girls would defend Zell Miller. Anyone who is a Zell Miller (DJ Zelly Zell, if you will) fan, most likely has some pretty conservative religious values.... and this site is chock full o' girl-on-girl action and promiscuity. This is Sodom and Gomorrah at its finest, goddamnit! That's why I bought the year-long subscription.

68stretch

68stretch

Portland, OR
March 2003

SEP 03, 2004 12:49 AM

That was one of the all-time great meltdowns. I think he's pretty close to showing up at the senate wearing a black teddy, and a zorro mask.

Remj

Remj

Seattle, WA
April 2003

SEP 03, 2004 12:59 AM

He's comfortable saying that he's a conservative Democrat. It's not like he's a space cadet for saying that...look at Lieberman.

Admitedly, he's being a rabid pit bull at the Republican convention...he's not really concerned about being re-elected. His disclaimer for being a flip-flopper on Kerry is that he just read what was given to thim..

Er....idiot?

jnthn

jnthn

New York, NY
October 2002

SEP 03, 2004 02:00 AM

FermatsEnigma said:
Bush has never wabered inspite of the winning the war on terror comment. Kerry doesn't have a plan to "win" the war on terror other than to try to bring the french and germans into the fold.



Bush hasn't had a plan to win the war on terrorism EVER. Tell me the plan. He doesn't even know where the terrorists are or why they're out there in the first place. You think mobilizing the Army, dropping some bombs, getting handed Saddam is going to win the war on terror?

It goes against their business plan to win this fake war on terrorism. Why do that when you cut your dividends from oil and defense holdings. if you had the kind of investments he and his posse have you'd be a fool not to keep this goldrush of easy capital going. it's just business.

CrackRockColin

CrackRockColin

Atlanta, GA
March 2004

SEP 03, 2004 06:02 AM

jnthn said:

FermatsEnigma said:
Bush has never wabered inspite of the winning the war on terror comment. Kerry doesn't have a plan to "win" the war on terror other than to try to bring the french and germans into the fold.



Bush hasn't had a plan to win the war on terrorism EVER. Tell me the plan. He doesn't even know where the terrorists are or why they're out there in the first place. You think mobilizing the Army, dropping some bombs, getting handed Saddam is going to win the war on terror?

It goes against their business plan to win this fake war on terrorism. Why do that when you cut your dividends from oil and defense holdings. if you had the kind of investments he and his posse have you'd be a fool not to keep this goldrush of easy capital going. it's just business.


i agree. its a huge misconception that just because bush plans to keep up the occupation of Iraq, that he has a plan of what to do next. speaking of occupation, zell miller said it pisses him off when US forces are called occupiers, but dubya has done that shit numerous times. the republicans were pissed off, and they're in the fucking white house for christ sake. cant they take political opposition? god knows, clinton had nothing but republicans talking shit about him.

FermatsEnigma

FermatsEnigma

USA
August 2004

SEP 03, 2004 08:09 AM

Raoul_Duke said:
I guess you won't apologize for this or the other thread you lied in? frown
Just in case...

[Edited on Sep 02, 2004 by Raoul_Duke]



I lied? whatever

Kerry was in favor on the the war in Iraq at that point.

[Edited on Sep 03, 2004 8:11AM]

jake_lex

jake_lex

Lexington, KY
February 2003

SEP 03, 2004 08:58 AM

It just amuses me that as the Bush campaign continues to call Kerry a "flip-flopper" and opportunist at every point, then cozy up to this loser, who's the very definition of a political weathervane. He exploits whatever he can find to keep his mug on TV.

What a dope.

projectnova

projectnova

San Francisco, CA
July 2002

SEP 03, 2004 11:49 AM

that speech sounds liek nothing more than a 'hey, let's build a bigger and bigger military, because we KNOW we're gonna eb under attck'... paranoid silliness...

Michael_J_Totten

Michael_J_Totten

Iraq
February 2004

SEP 03, 2004 01:19 PM

Toku666 said:
Is anybody else terrified that we're suddenly going to find some WMDs in very late October or very (very) early November?


Dude. If Bush was going to plant WMD, he would have done it a long time ago.

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