the French conceal support for Kerry

A joke? I don't think so; more like the prevailing attitude of the (surprisingly large) group of simple minded and jingoistic voters who make the election of someone like Bush possible.

Attitudes like this do a lot to generate ill will towards the U.S.. They also tend to build upon the stereotype of " the Ugly American ". Nothing to be proud of - retrospectively calling it a joke doesn't make it funny.

Ok, argue on semantics all you want. If you are ok with attacking a group of people just because it doesn't fit in with your dictionary definition, that's just swell.

So its ok for someone to say "All Americans are evil and should be killed" or signs that say Irish people aren’t allowed in bars –like they used to have in the UK- because Americans and Irish are not a "race" as you purported about the French?

Thank you for saying I was right.
Stockula said that, not me. Why are you putting his words in my mouth? Cant you tell us apart?
Please do not take your anger for what Stokula says out on me. That is not exactly fair, is it?

Umm, No! BRITISH army was totally defeated by Nazi Germany. Without the help of Commonwealth, American and most importantly Soviet troops you'd be speaking German right now. The primary victor of WWII was the Soviets, US running a close second.

Wow, did I say it was okay? Nope.
All I said was you couldnt call someone a racist for judging someone from the country they come from. It may not be right but its not racism.
Why are you taking my comment out of text or assume that I am saying something that I am not?

Mike

My anger is entirely appropriately directed at you. I'll give it all back to you with stockula's name excised.

You said: "I think the point is Americans do not like any outside country getting involved in our politics."

For reasons that totally escape me, you seem to be fine with the shoe being on the other foot. You seem to think that the US meddling in the politics of other countries is just dandy.

Two of those countries where the US has been accused of being "interventionist" are the UK and Australia.

Why this amounts to me saying you "are right" beats the hell out of me. What you seem to be saying is:
- you resent any outside involvement in US politics;
- you seem quite fine with US interference in the politics of other countries, including those of your allies.

That is hypocrisy. I have called you on it, and you've been dodging ever since.

Maybe it could be called anti-nationalism.

It was my joke so the fact that you do not find it funny it moot. I did and thats why I said it - even stating it so people wouldnt get upset. I guess next time I will post it in the jokes group.
I am very sorry if I offended you in any way.

The whole point of you making a smart ass joke was to avoid responding to the underlying point.

1. I do not resent outside involvement in US politics. I could care less what the French, UK, Australia or any other country might think of our politics. Thats why I said Americans and not me specifically.
2. The fact that you say I "seem quite fine with US interference in the politics of other countries" shows me you are making an opinion. That and the fact that I never said it.
3.I never said we could do it and others couldnt. NEVER - not even in my joke did I say that. So where is the hypocrisy in that?

You called me on nothing so I am not dodging anything. Let me know as soon as you can tell the difference between my posts and other peoples posts.<-



[Edited on Aug 01, 2004 by Mike]

So sorry.
The question was: How do you think the other countries feel when you keep doing it to them?
My answer is: I bet they do not like it and if I was the leader (or person running for office)of that country I would tell them that their input into our election is not wanted or needed.

Yeah, cos THAT would work against the US foreign policy.

Well done Mike, very insightful.

I like pie.

I think the issue is rather larger than offering " input " into elections. People in other countries probably take much more offense to actions like:

- threatening trade sanctions
- destabilizing economies
- supporting coups
- armed intervention

I could give a fuck if GWB (or any other President) offered an opinion as to who they would like to see win an election in my country.
I do, however. resent "input" when it is accompanied by an " or else".

I thought Kerry was an American?

I can't stop laughing at this, I can't even respond any further I am laughing so hard, thanks for posting the joke cause I know you can't be serious

This is the most contrived and poorly written decade I have ever had the displeasure of living through. the actors are weak, the plot is thin to nonexistant, and every damned turn is so contrived it hurts.

I know! But you obviously don't understand the Brits. They still think they're mighty empire, when the reality is they're just a small island off the coast of Europe.

Rule Britannia...!

Two Words:
Dunkirk

I mean:
Market Garden

As to gramsci's observation, if your metrics are warm beer, foul weather and pop sensations sweeping the country fortnightly, Britan is a mighty empire indeed.

Why the warm beer part?

Insert Lucas joke of your choice here.

OK, Mike. I responded to your post as I read it in the context of this thread.

If I mistook or misread that context and how your post fitted into it, I withdraw my charge of hypocrisy.

Having said that, I'm at a loss as to how your post fits in with the French or the US political scene or any point stockula was trying to make or that other people have been refuting. So at this point, I can but shrug.

But, again, with your clarification offered, I see no hypocrisy in your position. OK?

this thread is wallowing in hilarity. stock, you are completely insane. you must be smoking that MTF i hear so much about.

I have to take issue with two things here:
You realized you just said that nazi Germany never attacked the us (the US).
German U-boats attacked U.S. merchant and transport ships. Germany communicating with Mexico, trying to convince them to attack America (ineffectively, but a threatening gesture nonetheless). And, you know, pearl harbor. Not Germany its self, but wasn’t one argument for invading Iraq that its “allies” (Al Qaeda) had attacked America? Huh....

Also. I don’t believe no one has mentioned this. Stock. You keep sayinghow the French ‘owe’ us for our help in ww2. Well, did it somehow slip your mind how they allied with us against Britain when we were trying to gain independence? Surely, the French contribution to your own countries revolution didn’t slip your mind.

And shit, if that’s not enough, they gave us a great deal on everythin’ west of the Mississip’.

*raises hand on behalf of EVERYBODY, even n00bs who signed up yesterday*

In a nod to MisterSatan, "Oh yeah!"