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Tony1970

Tony1970

Titusville, FL
December 2003

JUL 25, 2004 06:04 AM

Well guess what Micheal Moore, Bill Timmins executed his right to tell Linda Ronstadt to get the fuck out, you micheal Moore have the right to make a movie you call a documentary well we the american people have the right to tell people we dont like to get the fuck out...gotta love america huh

Tony1970

Tony1970

Titusville, FL
December 2003

JUL 25, 2004 06:09 AM

I think Linda Ronstadt did this as a publicity stunt next thing you know her titts will be flopping all over the TV biggrin

Strfry

Strfry

Cleveland, OH
September 2002

JUL 25, 2004 06:17 AM

Cash said:
This issue really wasn't about Michael Moore.



nope. sure wasn't.

she said before that show in an interview: "i want to annoy the casino so they will stop hiring me" or something like that. she wanted to get fired so she wouldn't have to quit. basicly she got exactly what she wanted, she got fired and everyone feels sorry for her. that was the plan from the outset any you all took the bait.

asside from that, you are there to serve the customers, it's a buisness, and the customers were CLEARLY unhappy with what she said.

fuck her. there is a price to pay for everything you do.
"freedom of speach" means THE GOVERNMENT can't dictate what you can or cannot say, you employeer can!

can anyone say "zot"... same thing!!! wake up!

Strfry

Strfry

Cleveland, OH
September 2002

JUL 25, 2004 06:22 AM

troglodyte said:

DrStinkypants said:

reprobate said:

Saltine said:

reprobate said:

punkadixon said:
^ notice how he suggested HE sing with her and then they watch HIS movie smile clevah, very clevah.



Notice how a guy who draws tens of thousands of people at every public appearance has agreed to appear at a commercial, for profit establishment for free.


is there a point relating to the current topic anywhere in there.



Reading comprehension isn't your forte, is it?



Haha, great re-direction
dumb it down for us and answer the question.

If Ronstadt started spewing hate speech i wonder if everyone would be so quick to protect her "freedom or speech"



Some people would. At least those that really do believe in free speech.



you are in a dreamland with that reply. no fucking way they would back her then.

neelyohara

neelyohara

I'm lost
May 2004

JUL 25, 2004 09:14 AM

rottenart said:

Neely said:
You know, I love that we have the right to say what we want to say, when we want to say it. So I am going to say this:

Rondstadt was hired to entertain guests at a hotel, not make a political statement. She was paid money to get up on stage and sing her little songs, make nice with the paying customers and all the jazz. So if she does anything (such as make a political statement, however vague that statement was) that may piss off someone in the audience and affect that customer base, the hotel has a good basis to throw her out on her rear. I am a business woman, I would do the same thing.

Not to mention, from what I hear, she wasn't real popular with the crowd after that statement.



actually, half the crowd supposedly cheered for her. it was the other half that acted like fucktards, and the casino sided with them. not to mention that she has publically said that this is a common reaction during her tour, where about half the crowd cheers and half the crowd boos. if the owners didn't like her politics and knew a goddam thing about her...don't hire her to play in the first place. i place no blame on ms. ronstadt. she was doing what she has done a thousand times before at her concerts. the casino owners should be chastised for being idiots who know nothing about the talent they hire.



People don't come to Vegas, let alone a concert for a washed up head-case, to have someone spew political agenda all over them. And you don't know the specifics of her deal to work there any better than I do. From what I see, she doesn't have producers banging on her door, you know?

There could have been 15 million reasons why they threw her out of there. But because Michael Moore wrote some holier-than-thou public letter, she's some hero. I guarantee none of you could tell me what she's done or where she's been for the past year. Now she's a hero. Come on, how predictable can you be? Y'all are too easy.

walkswithbears

walkswithbears

United Kingdom
March 2003

JUL 25, 2004 09:33 AM



stirfry:
asside from that, you are there to serve the customers, it's a buisness, and the customers were CLEARLY unhappy with what she said.



customers weren't CLEARLY anything. half of them cheered. it just happened that the casino owner wasn't one of them.



Neely:
People don't come to Vegas, let alone a concert for a washed up head-case, to have someone spew political agenda all over them



now this one made me laugh out loud. linda ronstandt wasn't singing to the lobby, she was singing for people who'd paid to see her. and how you equate a song dedication to spewed political agenda is laughable.

the right-wing spin/lies in this thread is pathetic. and this from the same people who will happily accuse moore of lying. how sad.

neelyohara

neelyohara

I'm lost
May 2004

JUL 25, 2004 09:52 AM

Oh come on. You sound like you're going to cry. If it upsets you that much, don't read the thread. It's just debate.

Mike11

Mike11

Titusville, FL
OLD SKOOL

JUL 25, 2004 04:17 PM

reprobate said:

Mike said:

rottenart said:

Neely said:
You know, I love that we have the right to say what we want to say, when we want to say it. So I am going to say this:

Rondstadt was hired to entertain guests at a hotel, not make a political statement. She was paid money to get up on stage and sing her little songs, make nice with the paying customers and all the jazz. So if she does anything (such as make a political statement, however vague that statement was) that may piss off someone in the audience and affect that customer base, the hotel has a good basis to throw her out on her rear. I am a business woman, I would do the same thing.

Not to mention, from what I hear, she wasn't real popular with the crowd after that statement.



actually, half the crowd supposedly cheered for her. it was the other half that acted like fucktards, and the casino sided with them. not to mention that she has publically said that this is a common reaction during her tour, where about half the crowd cheers and half the crowd boos. if the owners didn't like her politics and knew a goddam thing about her...don't hire her to play in the first place. i place no blame on ms. ronstadt. she was doing what she has done a thousand times before at her concerts. the casino owners should be chastised for being idiots who know nothing about the talent they hire.


It doesnt matter if half of the crowd didnt mind. She was paid to entertain the entire crowd. She failed in that and was let go.



She wasn't let go. She was thrown out.


Its the same thing.

Mike11

Mike11

Titusville, FL
OLD SKOOL

JUL 25, 2004 04:19 PM

Tony1970 said:
I think Linda Ronstadt did this as a publicity stunt next thing you know her titts will be flopping all over the TV biggrin


Oh no! blackeyed Anything but that!

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUL 26, 2004 12:51 AM

Mike said:

reprobate said:

Mike said:

rottenart said:

Neely said:
You know, I love that we have the right to say what we want to say, when we want to say it. So I am going to say this:

Rondstadt was hired to entertain guests at a hotel, not make a political statement. She was paid money to get up on stage and sing her little songs, make nice with the paying customers and all the jazz. So if she does anything (such as make a political statement, however vague that statement was) that may piss off someone in the audience and affect that customer base, the hotel has a good basis to throw her out on her rear. I am a business woman, I would do the same thing.

Not to mention, from what I hear, she wasn't real popular with the crowd after that statement.



actually, half the crowd supposedly cheered for her. it was the other half that acted like fucktards, and the casino sided with them. not to mention that she has publically said that this is a common reaction during her tour, where about half the crowd cheers and half the crowd boos. if the owners didn't like her politics and knew a goddam thing about her...don't hire her to play in the first place. i place no blame on ms. ronstadt. she was doing what she has done a thousand times before at her concerts. the casino owners should be chastised for being idiots who know nothing about the talent they hire.


It doesnt matter if half of the crowd didnt mind. She was paid to entertain the entire crowd. She failed in that and was let go.



She wasn't let go. She was thrown out.


Its the same thing.



And glossing over the truth will change it to suit you. Just keep repeating yourself and reality shifts. I swear, it works.

They had a contract. It said, if you do X you get Y. She did X, and a significant part of Y was that she get a courtesy suite to spend the night someplace far from her home. She performed. they breached.

Mike11

Mike11

Titusville, FL
OLD SKOOL

JUL 26, 2004 02:53 AM

whatever

zenosdog

zenosdog

Bloomfield, NJ
February 2003

JUL 26, 2004 08:41 AM

ecky said:
you understand the difference between booting her off stage and refusing to accomodate? once things had cooled down she should have been allowed back in, but never mind, guess seperating different contractual agreements are something you have trouble with too.



Actually, the accomodations would have been included in the same contract as part of her concert rider. I play music for a living, and if accomodations are included as part of your gig, they are drawn up and approved in the same contract as the one you sign to agree to the gig, wages, catering, equipment, etc.. By denying accomodations, the casino is in breach. I'm not saying it couldn't happen any other way, but I have never seen them separated, as accomodations are usually considered an extended courtesy of the venue (especially a casino, as most have a hotel attached).

beedlebaum

beedlebaum

Brooklyn, NY
March 2003

JUL 26, 2004 08:53 AM

Its funny to see all the people who have The Clash, or freaking Fugazi listed as their favorite bands claiming that 'people go to a concert to be entertained, not to be preached to'....
Give me a break, Ronstadt has a long history of espousing so-called leftist views, if the people in the audience didn't realize this, they weren't paying attention...

flb0y

flb0y

Palm Bay, FL
November 2002

JUL 26, 2004 10:45 AM

July 19th, 2004 9:05 pm
Open Letter to Bill Timmins, President Aladdin Casino and Hotel


Bill Timmins
President
Aladdin Casino and Hotel
Las Vegas, NV

July 20, 2004

Dear Mr. Timmins:

I understand from the news reports I've read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one of America's greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the Aladdin, which they did.

What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the United States. And in the United States, we have something called "The First Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it.


---- Earth to Moore----- They where afraid of a riot in the making... She was removed to stop one.....


My film is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way.

For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American. Frankly, I have never heard of such a thing happening. I read that you wouldn't even let her go back up to her room at your hotel! Are you crazy? For crying out loud, it was a song DEDICATION! To "Desperado!" Every American loves that song! Sure, some people didn't like the dedication, and that's their right. But neither they nor you have the right to remove her from your building when all she did was exercise her AMERICAN right to speak her mind.


---- Earth to Moore----- Ever hear of AMERICAN private property rights?



Of all the things that go on in Las Vegas, this is what creates the need for serious action? What about the other half of the crowd at the Aladdin who, according to the Las Vegas Sun, cheered her when she made her remarks? Did you throw them out, too?

I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back and I'll join her in singing "America the Beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show "Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it.

Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can you refuse this offer? I await your reply.

Yours,
Michael Moore
Director, "Fahrenheit 9/11"

To bored with this to comment further..... Moore's such an ass
puke puke puke

reprobate

reprobate

New Orleans, LA
December 2002

JUL 26, 2004 11:16 AM

"And the right wing bench has brought in the second string..."

lostarchitect

lostarchitect

Brooklyn, NY
January 2004

JUL 26, 2004 08:20 PM

aggggggh!

there's just too much stupid in this thread for me. i'm out.

Mike11

Mike11

Titusville, FL
OLD SKOOL

JUL 28, 2004 03:43 AM

lostarchitect said:
aggggggh!

there's just too much stupid in this thread for me. i'm out.



stupidity?

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