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CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

FEB 28, 2013 06:07 AM

Lone_Ranger said:

1sailor said:
If it hadn't been for the presence of a legally armed guy the shooter may have killed more.

Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter



this.

also, the CCW man drew a bead on the shooter, but did not fire because a bystander MAY have been hit.

also, once the mall-shooter's gun operated again, the next hit was himself.

good-NIGHT



Again, no actual confrontation. No evidence that the shooter even knew the gun-guy was there.

wildswan

wildswan

I'm lost
June 2006

FEB 28, 2013 10:25 AM

No, no, man! He threw the mic down! That means he's right.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

FEB 28, 2013 01:43 PM

wildswan said:
No, no, man! He threw the mic down! That means he's right.



Maybe, if he'd used all caps, I could believe that. But just capitalizing the word "NIGHT" isn't enough for veritas.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 28, 2013 05:49 PM

Coyote_ said:
Again, no actual confrontation. No evidence that the shooter even knew the gun-guy was there.



the gun guy who had the other gun guy in his sights.

wildswan said:
No, no, man! He threw the mic down! That means he's right.



good-night! is something to say when you witness a knockout or in this case, the shooter opting out.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

FEB 28, 2013 06:00 PM

Lone_Ranger said:

Coyote_ said:
Again, no actual confrontation. No evidence that the shooter even knew the gun-guy was there.



the gun guy who had the other gun guy in his sights.

wildswan said:
No, no, man! He threw the mic down! That means he's right.



good-night! is something to say when you witness a knockout or in this case, the shooter opting out.



And again, where does it say ANYTHING about the shooter seeing the guy with the gun? The guy with the concealed weapons says he was hidden behind a pillar, aiming his weapon while the shooter was trying to clear a jam. To me, that says the shooter's eyes were on his gun, not on the disembodied hand coming around a pillar, holding a pistol.

There is absolutely no evidence, in your story or any of the stories written up about this, that shows that the guy with the concealed weapon had any influence on the shooter's actions.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

Antarctica
September 2004

FEB 28, 2013 07:38 PM

how would anyone know what someone sees while wearing a mask?

look at the shooter's actions?

after he un-jams his gun, he opts out.

hiding behind a pillar
hiding behind a pillar and holding a bead (requires different posture, and also exposing one's face)

two different things.

it's all open to interpretation. consider all aspects.

I respect you Coyote_, because of your interest. do not mistake that for submission or a refusal to learn.

cpkz

cpkz

Portland, OR
September 2006

FEB 28, 2013 07:48 PM

Lone_Ranger said:

good-night! is something to say when you witness a knockout or in this case, the shooter opting out.



If there was a knock out it would make sense.

The killer probably "opted" out because his gun was failing and because he was PSYCHOTIC.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

FEB 28, 2013 08:13 PM

Lone_Ranger said:
how would anyone know what someone sees while wearing a mask?

look at the shooter's actions?

after he un-jams his gun, he opts out.

hiding behind a pillar
hiding behind a pillar and holding a bead (requires different posture, and also exposing one's face)

two different things.

it's all open to interpretation. consider all aspects.

I respect you Coyote_, because of your interest. do not mistake that for submission or a refusal to learn.



Not once does the guy behind the pillar say the shooter looked at him, noticed him, acknowledged him...we don't even know if he was in front of the shooter or behind him. This is why I have a problem with people saying he "confronted" the shooter, thus implying that, because of the guy with the gun was there, the shooting wasn't as bad as it could have been. That, in essence, the "good guy" with a gun stopped the "bad guy" with a gun. There is no proof that the guy with the concealed weapon, in any way, changed the outcome of the shooting.

If you are saying that the guy with the concealed weapon affected the outcome, please prove it. Prove that something happened.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

FEB 28, 2013 11:46 PM

Guys, guys! The masked man obviously was scared of getting hurt by the other dude's bullets, so he wussed out and used one on himself instead.

Seriously, what a ridiculous argument.

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