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Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

OCT 30, 2012 08:56 PM

Otoki said:

obd said:

motorfirebox said:
Wow, this Kostas thing is getting serious fast. He's already going to trial. How fucked up is that? If he'd murdered someone they'd still be investigating, but embarrass the rich and you get bumped to the front of the fucking line.



I surprised non of the EU powers that be have had anything to say.



That's what I'm thinking. Wouldn't other EU countries, which have a vested interest in Greece getting its shit together ASAP, WANT this guy to get justice so necessary changes in the budget structure can happen faster?



Tax evasion is a problem in more than just Greece. I think the silence is due to them not wanting to get called out themselves.

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Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

OCT 30, 2012 08:57 PM

No idea why that Emoticon showed up. I should have posted the link within a link perhaps.

Priapos

priapos

San Angelo, TX
October 2005

OCT 30, 2012 09:00 PM

I don't consider it outside the realm of possibility that the business and political elites of other EU companies have also avoided whatever taxes they could, however they could.

Reporters Without Borders story on this topic. If you scroll down, they have various reports on the state of press freedom in Greece.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

DEC 11, 2012 07:50 AM

So, HSBC is paying a $1.92B fine for laundering cartel money. It should be noted that they laundered $7B in cash. This is being touted as a record-breaking fine, which is more a statement on the grip the financial oligarchy has on the justice system than it is something for the justice system to be lauded for. No charges will actually be brought. Nobody's going to jail. Though one may expect that a few golden parachutes have been opened. And HSBC will recoup those losses within something like a month and a half.

By comparison, a guy who laundered $0.1B recently got twenty years in jail. The lesson is clear: if you're going to break the law, break it big.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

DEC 11, 2012 06:59 PM

motorfirebox said:
So, HSBC is paying a $1.92B fine for laundering cartel money. It should be noted that they laundered $7B in cash. This is being touted as a record-breaking fine, which is more a statement on the grip the financial oligarchy has on the justice system than it is something for the justice system to be lauded for. No charges will actually be brought. Nobody's going to jail. Though one may expect that a few golden parachutes have been opened. And HSBC will recoup those losses within something like a month and a half.

By comparison, a guy who laundered $0.1B recently got twenty years in jail. The lesson is clear: if you're going to break the law, break it big.



It's fucking disgusting. Break it big, and break it in a group. That way you can spread the blame.whatever

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

DEC 11, 2012 07:33 PM

Otoki said:

motorfirebox said:
So, HSBC is paying a $1.92B fine for laundering cartel money. It should be noted that they laundered $7B in cash. This is being touted as a record-breaking fine, which is more a statement on the grip the financial oligarchy has on the justice system than it is something for the justice system to be lauded for. No charges will actually be brought. Nobody's going to jail. Though one may expect that a few golden parachutes have been opened. And HSBC will recoup those losses within something like a month and a half.

By comparison, a guy who laundered $0.1B recently got twenty years in jail. The lesson is clear: if you're going to break the law, break it big.



It's fucking disgusting. Break it big, and break it in a group. That way you can spread the blame.whatever



We can add banking fraud to our list of disreputable businesses. Along with DnD dice made from endangered animal bones.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

DEC 12, 2012 09:51 AM

motorfirebox said:
So, HSBC is paying a $1.92B fine for laundering cartel money. It should be noted that they laundered $7B in cash. This is being touted as a record-breaking fine, which is more a statement on the grip the financial oligarchy has on the justice system than it is something for the justice system to be lauded for. No charges will actually be brought. Nobody's going to jail. Though one may expect that a few golden parachutes have been opened. And HSBC will recoup those losses within something like a month and a half.

By comparison, a guy who laundered $0.1B recently got twenty years in jail. The lesson is clear: if you're going to break the law, break it big.


I think it's more along the lines of if you're going to break the law, be big when you do it. Actually, what Otoki just said (missed her comment when I first posted).

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

DEC 13, 2012 09:03 AM

Apparently, "too big to fail" frequently also means "too big to prosecute."

And by "frequently," I mean "virtually always."

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

DEC 14, 2012 08:32 AM

Someone interviewed about this on NPR had a good point. Banks don't commit fraud, people do. So prosecute the people who committed fraud within the bank.

cpkz

cpkz

Portland, OR
September 2006

DEC 14, 2012 12:28 PM

Otoki said:
Someone interviewed about this on NPR had a good point. Banks don't commit fraud, people do. So prosecute the people who committed fraud within the bank.



but corporations are people.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

DEC 14, 2012 01:27 PM

cpkz said:

Otoki said:
Someone interviewed about this on NPR had a good point. Banks don't commit fraud, people do. So prosecute the people who committed fraud within the bank.



but corporations are people.


my friend.

Priapos

priapos

San Angelo, TX
October 2005

DEC 16, 2012 11:08 AM

Has anyone actually gone to jail for violations under Sarbanes-Oxley? I looked, but couldn't find much on the subject. The Wikipedia article refers to people who praise it for improving ethics, but doesn't mention successful prosecutions.

Also, I just read that Rolling Stone article from motorfirebox, and I feel stunned.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

DEC 16, 2012 12:10 PM

According to this article, one dude went to jail for 30 months for mail fraud (full story here). That... seems like it's pretty much it. One guy. Who committed fraud to save a small-potatoes, badly ailing firm.

Here is further outrage fuel (pdf) if you want to know more about how CEOs and CFOs could be going to prison for their massive fraud--but aren't, and likely won't.

Priapos

priapos

San Angelo, TX
October 2005

DEC 17, 2012 08:18 AM

I hate that I don''t see any way to change that.

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

JAN 09, 2013 12:21 PM

I... just... I got nothing.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

JAN 09, 2013 12:33 PM

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

APR 02, 2013 01:18 AM

There is no such thing as justice.

Late on Friday, a federal judge dismissed Libor lawsuits against 16 banks, including JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, partly because the plaintiffs couldn't jump through all of the necessary hoops to show how they had been harmed by violations of U.S. antitrust laws.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

APR 02, 2013 03:24 AM

motorfirebox said:
There is no such thing as justice.

Late on Friday, a federal judge dismissed Libor lawsuits against 16 banks, including JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, partly because the plaintiffs couldn't jump through all of the necessary hoops to show how they had been harmed by violations of U.S. antitrust laws.


So it looks as if the class action approach is just too complex for justice? Really? The idea of having to break down each lawsuit into individual claims seems, well, somewhat frivolous (and burdensome on damaged parties). Obviously, the decision is being appealed, but so far it smells like too big to fault. frown

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

APR 04, 2013 12:38 PM

Fuckers, listed by name and country.

Secret records obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists reveal tens of thousands of people in more than 170 countries and territories linked to offshore companies and trusts. Here are some examples from around the world.



Hats off to the ICIJ, which has uncovered emails identifying the owners and managers of something like $32 TRILLION in untaxed offshore funds.

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

APR 04, 2013 01:41 PM

motorfirebox said:
Fuckers, listed by name and country.

Secret records obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists reveal tens of thousands of people in more than 170 countries and territories linked to offshore companies and trusts. Here are some examples from around the world.



Hats off to the ICIJ, which has uncovered emails identifying the owners and managers of something like $32 TRILLION in untaxed offshore funds.



The ICIJ cherry picked a few notable individual. They didn't include a link to the entire list.

Is there somewhere the public can search through all of them?

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

APR 04, 2013 02:35 PM

Not that I've found so far.

AlienHeep

AlienHeep

I'm lost
August 2008

APR 04, 2013 06:17 PM

Oh castrate me CE, but Carl is always relevant.

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