Canadian_Coat said:
I'm not sure if anyone watched the Daily show tonight, but they did a good bit about this. It also included Aasif Mandvi in the middle of a press conference getting up and asking the Governor to piss in a cup since he is paid by tax payer dollars.
That was fantastic! (Of course they already made it so it's wrong to legally have the take the same test, no hipocracy there) They did point out what an absolute waste of money the whole thing was! The population of people on welfare that were found to be using drugs was less than what would be found of the general population. The whole thing reeks of discrimination to me.
Canadian_Coat said:
I'm not sure if anyone watched the Daily show tonight, but they did a good bit about this. It also included Aasif Mandvi in the middle of a press conference getting up and asking the Governor to piss in a cup since he is paid by tax payer dollars.
That was fantastic! (Of course they already made it so it's wrong to legally have the take the same test, no hipocracy there) They did point out what an absolute waste of money the whole thing was! The population of people on welfare that were found to be using drugs was less than what would be found of the general population. The whole thing reeks of discrimination to me.
If I remember correctly it was something like 2% of welfare recipients have failed the drug test.
From July through October in Florida — the four months when testing took place before Judge Scriven’s order — 2.6 percent of the state’s cash assistance applicants failed the drug test, or 108 of 4,086, according to the figures from the state obtained by the group. The most common reason was marijuana use. An additional 40 people canceled the tests without taking them.
Because the Florida law requires that applicants who pass the test be reimbursed for the cost, an average of $30, the cost to the state was $118,140. This is more than would have been paid out in benefits to the people who failed the test, Mr. Newton said.
As a result, the testing cost the government an extra $45,780, he said.
And the testing did not have the effect some predicted. An internal document about Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, caseloads stated that the drug testing policy, at least from July through September, did not lead to fewer cases.
“We saw no dampening effect on the caseload,” the document said.
Under the Temporary Assistance For Needy Families program, the state gives $180 a month for one person or $364 for a family of four.
I didn't realize how little people received on the assistance program.
It's only meant for food. $180 to $200 is about what I spend per month on food. It should probably be a little higher for a family of four, but you also have to consider that a lot of foods are packaged in 'family size', that allows the budget to be stretched a little more. I actually waste a lot of food because of that; there aren't individual sizes, or they're more expensive than the 'family size' of something like a package of meat or vegetables, but I can't eat it all (or just get sick of eating the same thing day-in and day-out) so it spoils before I finish the whole thing.
You need to get in the habit of freezing your food, dude. If you don't think you will eat it by the time of the expiration date, stick it in the freezer until you decide you are going to eat it. Freezing degrades quality a little, but its a lot better then wasting it. Plus if you are a raw meat eater like I am, you want to get in the habit of freezing your meats anyway.
I'm glad somebody posted how much this program costs more than it saves. I was just about to post that. It's easy discriminating drug addicts; they're already a marginalized group. This country needs to have more drug users unions like san francisco has.
Princelogos said:
Junkies,= people who are strung out on herion or heavy downers. I've known quite a few in the past, many or most, do not have jobs anymore. First thing in the AM a street junkie has to get breakfast,(boost some shit to sell or for dope money or mug somebody). I'm not talking about average people popping pain meds, I'm talking about people who expect to die with a needle in their arm.
Big Difference.
Actually, most junkies have jobs (that's how most pay for their drugs). You've probably met some in your day to day life, and just never realized they were on drugs. Also, junkies usually have a tolerance and act completely normal when they're high, so most can function just fine at work or school. The image of the unemployed, welfare collecting drug addict is a myth that is not based on the majority, and is precisely the sort of stereotyping that creates bills like these.
It perpetuates the myth of the welfare queen, who holds no job but continuously pops out babies, all to sustain her extravagant lifestyle through the collection of welfare checks. According to these conservatives, they secretly live like kings, supporting their drug habits by selling food stamps for profit, secretly sipping champagne and eating lobster behind closed doors. It falls back on the recycled, tired old myths about welfare recipients—that they are all on drugs, inept, and lazy, that lack incentives to better themselves. The image of the drug-addled welfare king is a myth that pertains to the minority. It is a direct, full-frontal assault and attempt to criminalize the economically disadvantaged.
And then there's also the idea that all drug users are inept parents who abuse their children, and are responsible for contributing to the root of all crime. But that's a whole separate issue I'm not going to get into at the moment. The whole demonization of drug use and the marginalization of drug users is pretty disturbing.
On the study showing that the screening is irrational to the ends sought, that of saving money, of course there will be contradictions that deem this irrationality---the governor/ legislator's and their constituents are surely foolish.
Does it feel that this test starts from the premise that drugs are bad...bad, evil things? I certainly think so.
This extension of the War on Drugs feels, of course, disgusting, the whole war, is it not a literal falsity?
The Prohibition of Substances We Deem Incorrect by Arbitration conforms much more to the reality I should perceive in my life.
It's interesting to see individuals communicate their subjective definition of junkie.
I don't believe it matters so much.
Junkies do not exist ;-)
A person that binges on heroin from their salary-job a junkie?
A person that binges on heroin from mugging and robbery a junkie?
If both persons are indeed junkies, do we have a contradiction?
No, sometimes we have unintentional obfuscation, I think.
Junkie is of course a concept , and there are to be examples of those who fit this role.
But it seems, practiced by some, a sort of strange "conceptual conviction" occurs that makes it easier for people to see someone who, to them, fits the role, fits the concept from evidence given and immediately loses sight of all else. Including one of the most importance concepts: that they are in the first place human beings.
I can't think of anything else that makes others judge others so blindly with such conviction. Are you talking about stereotypes mate?
This is really a perfect example of a basic problem with the modern conservative thought process. Well, several basic problems, but one in particular that stands out to me: the huge weight placed on making sure the undeserving are punished, to the detriment of making sure the deserving are treated properly. And that's not even getting into their twisted conception of who is deserving and who is undeserving.
So true, motorfirebox. Stemming from the same kind of thought process, I hear a lot of talk here about how the government needs to cut social service jobs. The reason being because it needs to "suffer", like the private sector has. When this is said, the focus is not on how the private sector has suffered, but on the fact that now the government workers should suffer as well. It's such a backwards thinking process.
My sister was on social assistance when she quit her job for a while after being diagnosed with cancer. The hoops she had to jump through were such a hassle that she stopped applying for it because she had too many other things to worry about. Just personal experience, but I doubt most people find it all that rewarding to be on.
If there are people who enjoy getting by on welfare, there are much bigger issues there, and it has very little to do with welfare.
I hear a lot of talk here about how the government needs to cut social service jobs. The reason being because it needs to "suffer", like the private sector has. When this is said, the focus is not on how the private sector has suffered, but on the fact that now the government workers should suffer as well. It's such a backwards thinking process.
Well, if referring to a public sector company that relies on funding through taxation, they could be somewhat correct, it's important to note, not all public sector companies are funded through taxation.
However, on what they say, it'd be like saying all plane cashes are, in the first place, caused by gravity---a sort of true observation but not exactly saying anything worth while(no, it wasn't a bomb-it was gravity All things being controlled, a public sector administered through taxation, that continues to grow, or even plateaus, off of a private sector that continues to diminish is untenable; both will cease to exist eventually.
To conclude, it's not that a public sector, that is funded by taxation, must necessarily suffer, nay, perhaps instead they're running surpluses, and not deficits(no, all deficits are not necessarily bad) and they can remain the same, in the short-run, regardless of private sector ups / downs.
Obama doubles down on failed ''War on Drugs and Minorities'' and workplace drug testing. Not only has Obama broken his promise to allow States to regulate Medical Marijuana he wants to go back to the days of Nixon. Can't imagine who he is pandering to. It most certainly is not the people who voted for him or the majority of Americans if the polls on Medical Marijuana mean anything.
Truly shameful backward, outdated fail.
scorp17yh said:
Obama doubles down on failed ''War on Drugs and Minorities'' and workplace drug testing. Not only has Obama broken his promise to allow States to regulate Medical Marijuana he wants to go back to the days of Nixon. Can't imagine who he is pandering to. It most certainly is not the people who voted for him or the majority of Americans if the polls on Medical Marijuana mean anything.
Truly shameful backward, outdated fail.
scorp17yh said:
Obama doubles down on failed ''War on Drugs and Minorities'' and workplace drug testing. Not only has Obama broken his promise to allow States to regulate Medical Marijuana he wants to go back to the days of Nixon. Can't imagine who he is pandering to. It most certainly is not the people who voted for him or the majority of Americans if the polls on Medical Marijuana mean anything.
Truly shameful backward, outdated fail.
Psyche, can you point me in the direction of a source about the majority of drug addicts (AKA junkies) being employed? I tried Google, but didn't come up with much. Thanks
Selene
SUICIDEGIRL
Oregon, USA
FEB 06, 2012 07:41 PM