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IDGAS

IDGAS

Portland, ME
March 2004

SEP 19, 2012 08:10 PM

FellOnEarth said:

Wendy said:

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FellOnEarth said:

Wendy said:

Waldo_Jeffers said:
Egypt orders arrest of US-based Copts over film


Authorities in Cairo have ordered the arrest of seven US-based Egyptian Coptic Christians for their alleged involvement in an anti-Islam video.




An arrest warrant has also been issued for US Christian pastor Terry Jones.

One woman and seven men, including Mr Jones, are accused of "insulting the Islamic religion, insulting the Prophet and inciting sectarian strife", according to the prosecutor's office.

It said international police agency, Interpol, would be notified of the warrants.

However, Interpol later denied it had received a request and noted that its constitution forbade it from "undertaking any matter of a predominantly political, military, religious or racial nature".



so far, democracy in Egypt rules. especially for Christians!!




While I don't doubt that Egyptian Copts are getting the short end of the stick when it comes to democracy, this is an entirely unenforceable and empty gesture - more of an act to please the home crowd then anything.



unenforceable where? Unenforceable if those men ever decide they want to return to Egypt?

Good point, but given that they probably knew exactly what they were doing when they made the film, it's unlikely that returning to Egypt was on their calendar anytime soon.


Nakoula Basseley Nakoula lost his citizenship under the prior government.

Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

SEP 20, 2012 12:31 PM

Judge denies actress' bid to remove anti-Islam film


A California judge has denied an actress' request to remove from YouTube an anti-Islam video that sparked riots in the Muslim world.

Cindy Lee Garcia says she has received death threats over the film trailer, in a lawsuit against Google, which owns YouTube, and a man linked to the film.

Garcia said she had been misled by the maker of the amateur movie and was unaware of its anti-Muslim content.




Before appearing in court on Thursday, Garcia said she had been left emotionally disturbed by the fallout from the film trailer.

"My whole life has been turned upside down in every aspect," she said. "My family has been threatened."

Referring to the video, Garcia added: "I think it's demoralising, degrading. I think it needs to come off [YouTube]."




Garcia has also filed a lawsuit against Nakoula for fraud and slander. In court documents, Garcia says she had been led to believe the project was a desert adventure film.

"There was no mention of Mohammed during filming or on set," the lawsuit said. "There were no references made to religion, nor was there any sexual content of which Ms Garcia was aware."

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

SEP 21, 2012 04:48 PM

Pro-democracy demonstrators marched in Benghazi, flushing radical Islamists from their compound headquarters. Members of Ansar al-Sharia fled as the crowd approached and occupied the grounds, freeing 20 captives in the process. Although one vehicle was burned, not a single shot was fired. Eight members of Ansar al-Sharia had previously been detained by authorities in connection the attacks on Sept. 11.

It appears that this was part of a broader demonstration, widely targeting various armed militia groups located in Benghazi. Although unverified, some people may have been injured by armed gunmen who fired at protesters as they fled. After occupying the various militia headquarters, they allowed the Libyan Army to take over the facilities.

Earlier in the day, a group of 30,000, fed up with the armed gangs, marched in the streets carrying sights saying they wanted justice for Chris. Wow.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

SEP 21, 2012 05:38 PM

The phrase that keeps coming to mind when I read about this is "off-script". I was against going into Libya pretty early on, and I haven't seen a lot till now that made me think I called it wrong. Unarmed demonstrators kicking out armed extremists? That is just not on the teleprompter.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 21, 2012 06:14 PM

motorfirebox said:
The phrase that keeps coming to mind when I read about this is "off-script". I was against going into Libya pretty early on, and I haven't seen a lot till now that made me think I called it wrong. Unarmed demonstrators kicking out armed extremists? That is just not on the teleprompter.



On Twitter, idiots are complaining that the unarmed protestors aren't "Pro-America."

Why is this the worry? I mean, really, let them gain control of their country and kick out the militias. THEN, maybe, worry about them on the world stage.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 21, 2012 06:39 PM

BBC Coverage

At least three people have been killed in the Libyan city of Benghazi after military police and protesters took over several militia bases.

The violence followed a day of protests by tens of thousands of citizens demanding an end to the armed groups.

The bases include the HQ of the Islamist group Ansar al-Sharia, suspected of involvement in an attack on the US consulate in the city.

The deaths occurred during a standoff at the base of another group.

Witnesses say supporters of Ansar al-Sharia lined up outside its headquarters, in front of the crowd, waving black and white banners.

They fired into the air to try to disperse the protesters, but fled with their weapons after the base was surrounded by waves of people shouting "no to militias".

Buildings and a car were set alight and fighters evicted.

However, in a standoff outside the headquarters of the Sahaty Brigade in the city, three people were killed and at least 20 injured according to witnesses and officials.

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

SEP 21, 2012 07:21 PM

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SilverSurfer

SilverSurfer

MODERATOR

Chicago, IL

SEP 27, 2012 07:40 PM

Judge orders 'Innocence of Muslims' filmmaker to jail

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, the filmmaker behind the controversial movie “Innocence of Muslims” that has sparked days of rioting across the Muslim world, was ordered detained Thursday by a federal judge for allegedly violating terms of his probation.

The judge cited a "lengthy pattern of deception," including making false statements to probation officials. "The court has a lack of trust in the defendant at this time," Judge Suzanne H. Segal said, adding that he posed "some danger to the community."

Nakoula was arrested earlier in the day. Federal prosecutors argued in a court hearing Thursday afternoon that he posed a flight risk and should remain in custody.

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His attorney argued that Nakoula be released on bond, saying his client would be in danger at the downtown L.A. federal prison because it had a large Muslim population. He also denied his client violated his probation.

Nakoula was convicted on bank fraud charges in 2010 and was warned against misbehaving on the Internet.

He was ordered not to own or use devices with access to the Web without approval from his probation officer -– and any approved computers were to be used for work only. "Defendant shall not access a computer for any other purpose," according to the terms of his probation.

There were also restrictions placed on him in enlisting others to get on the Internet for him. Some speculated that Nakoula may have violated those terms after the film trailer was loaded onto YouTube, although it is unclear what exactly prompted the recent arrest.

Nakoula had been arrested in 2009 after federal agents searched his home in Cerritos on suspicion that he had engaged in a scheme to create fake identities and open credit cards in those names, then draw tens of thousands of dollars from the phony accounts.

According to the court file, Nakoula operated under a dizzying array of aliases, including Kritbag Difrat. In June 2010, he was convicted on four counts, including bank fraud and identity theft, and was sentenced to 21 months in federal prison. He was also ordered to pay $794,700.57 in restitution.

He was released, according to federal records, in June 2011.

Authorities interviewed Nakoula earlier this month amid the furor over the movie. Actors have identified him as the filmmaker.

LEtranger

Letranger

Brooklyn, NY
September 2005

SEP 27, 2012 08:55 PM

what a scumbag.

Mr_Matt_

Mr_Matt_

Pompano Beach, FL
July 2005

SEP 28, 2012 04:19 AM

I was a tad worried when they "interviewed" him in the middle of the night. I don't want the return of McCarthyism, no matter the cause.

Now, having learned about his prior conviction, and his probation violations, that's different. Fuck that guy.

SilverSurfer

SilverSurfer

MODERATOR

Chicago, IL

OCT 03, 2012 04:41 PM

From the L.A. Times:

Jailing of 'Innocence of Muslims' creator raises free speech worries

As rioting over the anti-Islam film "Innocence of Muslims" spread across the Muslim world, President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton both deplored the film's message but defended the free speech rights of its creators. In Clinton's words: "We do not stop individual citizens from expressing their views, no matter how distasteful they may be."

But now one of the film's creators, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, is sitting in jail in downtown Los Angeles. He may face two years in prison for allegedly violating the terms of his probation through his actions surrounding the film's production. News of his arrest and detention has been widely covered around the world, causing some to worry about the perception that the United States was punishing Nakoula because of the content of his movie.

Government officials maintained that Nakoula was back in custody not because of the impact of the movie, which portrays the prophet Muhammad as a womanizer and a child molester, but because he had used aliases in producing the film and lied to probation officers.

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Nakoula, who was on a type of probation known in the federal system as supervised release, served time in prison for a 2010 conviction for taking out bank and credit cards under myriad fake identities. He now faces eight charges of probation violation. The allegations include making false statements to authorities about the film — claiming his role was limited to writing the script — and denying he used the alias "Sam Bacile."

Authorities say they have proof Nakoula's role in the movie was "much more expansive" than that of a writer and that Nakoula could face new criminal charges for lying to federal officials.

Probation officials are recommending a two-year prison term for Nakoula, despite a guideline range of four to 10 months.

A federal judge ordered him held in protective custody without bail, saying he is a flight risk and poses "some danger to the community."

Some legal experts said the government was on firm legal footing and had little choice but to enforce the terms of Nakoula's probation once he came onto their radar.

Those on probation don't have the same rights as the average citizen, and authorities have wide discretion over their behavior, the experts said. The U.S. Supreme Court has upheld speech restrictions as part of probation in specific cases. Nakoula was barred from using computers or the Internet without permission from his probation officer, though he has not been accused of violating those terms.

"Everything that has happened to him is really consistent with the way the probation office might act if he were doing a film about kittens," said Kenneth P. White, a former federal prosecutor who is now a partner in the Los Angeles firm Brown, White & Newhouse.

But others question whether Nakoula's notoriety — and the global political fallout over the contents of the film — is placing more scrutiny on the filmmaker and prompting federal officials to be harsher with him.

"Certainly the sequence of events looks very much as though this man has been arrested and held on account of his producing a film," said Michael W. McConnell, a former judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit who now directs the Stanford Constitutional Law Center. "It sends exactly the wrong message abroad, because when people are becoming violent to try to pressure the U.S. to violate someone's constitutional rights, we ought to be going out of our way to make it clear that we will not accede to that kind of pressure."

Nakoula's court hearing after his arrest Thursday was anything but a routine probation violation proceeding.

The public was allowed to watch only through a video feed in a separate courthouse blocks away, and U.S. marshals kept the media away from the courtroom. Robert Dugdale, the criminal division chief for the U.S. attorney in Los Angeles, personally handled Nakoula's hearing, contending misrepresentations by Nakoula had caused "real harm" to those who signed on to work on the film. Vehicles marked "Homeland Security" closed off a stretch of Main Street as Nakoula was whisked away to the federal lockup after the hearing.

News of Nakoula's arrest prompted some critics to charge that the probation violation was a thinly veiled punishment for the film's message. A Wall Street Journal editorial called his detention a 1st Amendment affront saying that even speech that "causes the White House headaches abroad" is still constitutionally protected. George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley wrote on his blog that the case "raises obvious concerns that the Administration is again defending free speech while quietly moving to punish those who cause religious strife."

In an interview, Turley, a criminal defense attorney who has represented high-profile terrorism suspects accused of violent speech, said the charges against Nakoula had "common elements of pretextual charges." He said the government could have been hoping that putting Nakoula behind bars would appease those incensed by the film.

He said the arrest could send the wrong message to the public: "Even if you have a right to say something, the government can still choose to punish you on other grounds."

Neither Nakoula's attorneys nor the U.S. attorney's office would comment for this article.

But legal experts said they anticipate Nakoula's defense will attempt to show Nakoula is being punished for what was said in the film.

"His attorney is going to make the pitch that the government is trying to censor this guy," said Ellen Barry, a veteran criminal defense attorney and a former federal public defender who regularly handles probation violation cases. "The government's argument is going to be, this is exactly the same conduct he was convicted of — he's moving in that direction, make him stop."

Eugene Volokh, a UCLA law professor and a vocal free speech advocate, wrote on his widely read blog in the early days of the uproar over "Innocence of Muslims" in defense of protections for blasphemous speech. Even so, he said actions against Nakoula do not illustrate a clear case of targeting someone on 1st Amendment grounds.

"I think it's interesting enough that people should be asking questions," he said. "It's not obvious what the answer is."

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 20, 2012 03:50 PM

Chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, Darrel Issa (my District puke ), has released 166 pages of sensitive materials regarding the Benghazi attack.

Unfortunately, American foreign policy may have been further jeopardized, particularly since the release failed to redact the names of Libyans working with the U.S. In his rush to try and undermine the President just before the foreign policy debate, Issa has placed the lives of American allies in danger. The State Department and the FBI are currently engaged in an investigation, and the GOP's premature efforts to tar the administration have tainted these investigations with political partisanship. The irony is that contrary to Republican assertions that U.N Ambassador Susan Rice (and by proxy, the Obama administration) falsified events, her reported comments are actually supported by intelligence community (who also believed that the attack had been precipitated by the spontaneous video protests).

The Republicans have tried to make political hay out of this tragedy, and have added insult to injury. I hope that the president finally lays this to rest in the next debate, pointing out how unethical Issa and other Republicans efforts have been. By rights, this should turn on the

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 20, 2012 05:36 PM

Also, the famously rejected request for increased security asked for a DC-3 to be parked at the airbase just outside Tripoli, so the embassy staff could use it to evacuate the country if needed. Not for any kind of additional troops at the diplomatic mission in Benghazi. Even if it had been granted, it would have made precisely zero difference to ambassador Stevens.

There is no indication that anyone in Libya asked for tightened security in Benghazi, or for additional personal bodyguards for the ambassador.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

OCT 20, 2012 05:38 PM

^Definitely a "have you no sense of decency" moment...

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 22, 2012 04:27 PM

Pretty much, yeah.


A couple of points I didn't mention.

Even if additional troops had been stationed at the embassy, it wouldn't have helped Stevens. Because they would have been at the embassy. In Tripoli. 600 miles away.

Also, as we know from the report of the guy he had breakfast with that day, Stevens himself didn't think there was any particular danger that day. So I'm not sure who would have requested more troops.

Now, it's possible - remote, but still possible - that the only reason Stevens thought he was relatively safe was because the State Dept. told him he didn't need additional security. Since Ambassadors are not the ones who are supposed be the experts on security. But if there were suspicions among the people who were, why did they let him go to the Benghazi mission with only three bodyguards? And no American security personnel on site?

My guess is that no one really had any reason to suspect there would be any violence. And that if there was, it would be at the Embassy in Tripoli, just like the protests that day in Cairo. And like others over the following days in Sana'a, Khartoum, Athens (yes, Athens), Tunis, Jakarta, Islamabad, etc.

In most places, the only real violence took place at the actual embassy, though the protests were more widespread. The exception appears to be Pakistan, where there were several voilent clashes in other diplomatic locations. But Libya still seems to be one of the only countries with a U.S. Embassy that but protests, but not at the embassy.

SilverSurfer

SilverSurfer

MODERATOR

Chicago, IL

NOV 08, 2012 04:01 AM

Man behind anti-Islam film to return to jail for a year

The convicted California scam artist behind a crude anti-Islam film that stoked protests against the United States across the Muslim world was sent back to jail for a year on Wednesday over probation violations stemming from his role in the video.

In a tightly guarded federal courtroom in Los Angeles, Mark Basseley Youssef admitted to using aliases and lying to his probation officer, breaching the terms of his supervised release from prison this year after serving time for bank fraud.

Youssef, an Egyptian-born Coptic Christian and former gasoline station owner identified in some public records by his birth name, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, has been in protective custody since his arrest in September, his lawyer said.

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At least one violation Youssef acknowledged involved his using the alias Sam Bacile, a name several actors and others from the film said he had used in producing the Internet video. It was circulated under several titles, including "Innocence of Muslims."

In addition to a year in jail, U.S. District Judge Christina Snyder ordered Youssef placed on four years of supervised release once he got out.

The 13-minute clip attributed to Youssef, 55, portrays the Prophet Mohammad as a fool and a sexual deviant, although cast members have said they were duped into appearing in a film they believed was an adventure drama called "Desert Warrior."

After the fact, actors said they learned that some of their lines spoken in the production had been dubbed over.

At least one actress has sued Youssef, claiming her image and reputation were harmed and her safety was put in jeopardy, citing a religious edict she said an Egyptian cleric had issued against anyone connected with the movie.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Robert Dugdale said some cast members have received death threats and feared for their lives.

The film touched off a torrent of anti-American unrest in Arab and Muslim countries. The start of the violence on September 11 coincided with an attack on U.S. diplomatic facilities in the Libyan city of Benghazi that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya.

U.S. and other foreign embassies were also stormed in various cities across the Middle East, Asia and Africa. For many Muslims, any depiction of the prophet is considered blasphemous.

Defense lawyer Steven Seiden told reporters after Wednesday's hearing that the government was using its probation case to punish Youssef for making the film, thus chilling his client's constitutional rights to freedom of expression.

"This hearing had everything to do with the movie," he said.

Dugdale said in court that Youssef was not being prosecuted for the content of his film but because "the way he made this movie, he did defraud people," in part by operating under an assumed identity.

Youssef appeared in court in a white jumpsuit, his hands shackled to his waist. He said little, and an Arabic translator was used to communicate with him.

While in protective custody since his arrest, Youssef has remained essentially isolated and unable to see his relatives, except for brief glimpses he can catch in courtrooms, Seiden said.

The defense lawyer also told reporters his client wrote the script for the video and may have served as a "cultural consultant" on the video, but does not own rights to it.

Youssef previously was convicted of fraudulently obtaining 641 credit and debit cards and 60 bank accounts, defrauding banks of $800,000, Dugdale said.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

NOV 14, 2012 04:21 PM

McCain's statement on the attacks:

...this president and this administration has either been guilty of colossal incompetence or engaged in a cover up, neither of which are acceptable to the American people.


Are you really really sure you want to go there, McCain?

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

NOV 15, 2012 07:21 AM

motorfirebox said:
McCain's statement on the attacks:

...this president and this administration has either been guilty of colossal incompetence or engaged in a cover up, neither of which are acceptable to the American people.


Are you really really sure you want to go there, McCain?



Wow.

Cash

Cash

USA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 15, 2012 07:59 AM

Otoki said:

motorfirebox said:
McCain's statement on the attacks:

...this president and this administration has either been guilty of colossal incompetence or engaged in a cover up, neither of which are acceptable to the American people.


Are you really really sure you want to go there, McCain?



Wow.



I heard McCain's statements on the radio while driving home from work this morning...and I immediately had similar thoughts.

So...McCain is saying either he's grossly incompetent....or involved in a coverup...and there's NO OTHER explanation........yikes.

LEtranger

Letranger

Brooklyn, NY
September 2005

NOV 15, 2012 09:18 AM

I just want to know what the endgame for the GOP is at this point? What are they trying to gain out of this when they just got shown up in an election that proved that their party is short on ideas, short on compassion for the average american, and just a plain turn-off in so many ways. How is this going to help their brand?

CoyoteMike

CoyoteMike

Iowa City, IA
May 2006

NOV 15, 2012 03:30 PM

Senatorial Joke John McCain has been "leading" the call for more information on the Benghazi attacks. How has he been leading?

Most of the Republican members of a Senate committee investigating the terrorist attack at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, skipped a classified briefing by administration officials on the incident Wednesday, CNN has learned.

The missing lawmakers included Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who at the time of the top-secret briefing held a press conference in the Capitol to call for the creation of a Watergate-type special Congressional committee to investigate how and why the attack took place.



When asked why he skipped it, McCain apparently started yelling about the kids on his lawn.

Asked why he wouldn't comment, McCain grew agitated: "Because I have the right as a senator to have no comment and who the hell are you to tell me I can or not?”



Oh, and then he held a press conference to whine about not getting the information he wanted.

FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

NOV 16, 2012 03:27 AM

Is this the same news conference where he scolded a reporter, saying the question of whether or not the Gen Petraeus scandal was potentially more of a national security risk then the Benghazi attack was "one of the dumbest questions" he's ever heard in all his years?

Old Fuddy-Duddy McCain really doesn't like to have his judgement questioned. Or maybe he's just irritated that his state still hasn't finished counting the votes from 10 days ago.

LEtranger

Letranger

Brooklyn, NY
September 2005

NOV 17, 2012 06:31 AM

Patraeus has told lawmakers that US wanted to avoid tipping off the terrorists after the Libya attack



WASHINGTON — David H. Petraeus, the former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, told lawmakers on Friday that classified intelligence reports revealed that the deadly assault on the American diplomatic mission in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration refrained from saying it suspected that the perpetrators of the attack were Al Qaeda affiliates and sympathizers to avoid tipping off the groups.

Mr. Petraeus, who resigned last week after admitting to an extramarital affair, said the names of groups suspected in the attack — including Al Qaeda’s franchise in North Africa and a local Libyan group, Ansar al-Shariah — were removed from the public explanation of the attack immediately after the assault to avoiding alerting the militants that American intelligence and law enforcement agencies were tracking them, lawmakers said.



Some intelligence analysts worried, for instance, that identifying the groups could reveal that American spy services were eavesdropping on the militants — a fact most insurgents are already aware of. Justice Department lawyers expressed concern about jeopardizing the F.B.I.’s criminal inquiry in the attacks. Other officials voiced concern that making the names public, at least right away, would create a circular reporting loop and hamper efforts to trail the militants.

Democrats said Mr. Petraeus made it clear the change had not been done for political reasons to aid Mr. Obama. “The general was adamant there was no politicization of the process, no White House interference or political agenda,” said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California.




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Waldo_Jeffers

Waldo_Jeffers

United Kingdom
OLD SKOOL

DEC 06, 2012 01:48 PM

Libya rebel flees to UK as revolution sours for women


Sunderland, on England's north-east coast, is an unlikely refuge for a Libyan activist forced to flee the very revolution she helped bring about.

Twenty-five-year-old Magdulien Abaida, who was involved in organising aid for the rebels fighting Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, has just been given asylum here by the UK government.

Now the city on the edge of the North Sea, where she knows no-one, has become her temporary home.




Ms Abaida, the daughter of a lawyer, grew up on the shores of the Mediterranean in Libya's capital, Tripoli.

When the uprising against Gaddafi's 41-year dictatorship broke out in February 2011 she travelled first to Cairo and then to Paris to campaign against the regime and help organise food and medical supplies for the rebels.

After Tripoli fell to the rebels in August, she returned to Libya to campaign for women's rights - in particular for equality in the yet to be written constitution.



The next bit describes the violence which Ms Abaida experienced at the hands of militia members. I have spoilered it as it is rather upsetting.

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This summer on a visit to Libya's second city, Benghazi, the headquarters of last year's uprising, Ms Abaida was detained twice by members of a powerful independent militia which formed to fight Gaddafi, but which has since failed to disband.




The women's conference which Ms Abaida was attending - financed in part by British aid money - was interrupted by armed men. Later, militia members seized her from her hotel room. She was released, but abducted again the next day and held prisoner in a room at the militia base.

"Someone came in, and he started kicking me," she says. "Then he started hitting me with his gun. He was telling me: 'I will kill you and bury you here and nobody will know'. He was calling me an Israeli spy, and a whore and bitch.'

"He kept telling me 'I can kill you right here and nobody will know about you' and I thought that I would be killed in that place."

Eventually, she was released - badly bruised by the pistol-whipping, and accused by the militia of working for Israel, which she strongly denies. Fearing she might be killed if she was abducted again, Ms Abaida decided in September to flee to Britain.


FellOnEarth

FellOnEarth

Temecula, CA
April 2006

DEC 06, 2012 04:33 PM

Wow, that's tragic. It makes you wonder how many others have experienced similar types of displacement. Unfortunately, this wouldn't be the first time that militias have been accused of inciting violence after refusing to disband. Notably, the group blamed in connection with the Benghazi attack was similarly defiant, and it took a citizen's revolt to expel them. Hopefully the Libyan transitional government will be able to establish it's legitimacy and improve security, until then, I'm afraid that lawlessness and brutality will favor these types of militia groups (reminds me of the Taliban). frown

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