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s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

FEB 11, 2004 04:36 PM

belleNsebastian said:
It is saying that people that do the vegetarian diet incorrectly can suffer for it. Especially those that are young and developing their bodies and brains. Jeez.



more mythology. vegetarian children (and yes, even vegan children) develop normally. proper nutrition is important no matter what you're eating, and there are plenty of families out there raising their children on nothing but hot dogs and McD's.

luckyride

luckyride

Portland, OR
May 2003

FEB 11, 2004 04:41 PM

anyone read about peta's involvement yet? if not, check this:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/release_detail.cfm?PR_ID=48

food for thought? <-- i know, bad pun

biggrin

WaTed

WaTed

United Kingdom
September 2002

FEB 11, 2004 04:47 PM

s5 said:
more mythology. vegetarian children (and yes, even vegan children) develop normally. proper nutrition is important no matter what you're eating, and there are plenty of families out there raising their children on nothing but hot dogs and McD's.



Indeed. As long as they have a full source of required nutrients then development won't be a problem, surely?

Filling people full of chemicals in daily processed meals and, like s5 says, filling children full of junk food (usually because it's easiest unfortunately. I have friends who could feed their children pasta with lovely sauces and could even feed all the family for less than 1 Happy Meal, they could feast like healthy kings for the price of 2 Happy Meals and 2 Bic Mac Meals! I can certainly see why they do it, but I don't have to approve) is the problem with modern developed society. I think that'll eventually be traced to most 'Western' diseases.

uglyart

uglyart

Danville, VA
January 2004

FEB 11, 2004 07:03 PM

nad this seems to have been missed in the article:
_________________________________________________________________

Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner, declined to comment on the report, which she said was erroneously released to a doctor in Nebraska who requested it and apparently gave it to the vegetarian group.

It was later discovered that the doctor was not “the treating physician,” and therefore should not have had access to the report. Borakove said her office planned to complain to Nebraska health officials about the incident
_____________________________________________________________________ wasn't the treating doctor??! And people are taking this quack as an expert on the case? OOOOkay.

WaTed

WaTed

United Kingdom
September 2002

FEB 11, 2004 07:04 PM

A doctor who gives out details of a case should be fired immediately, whether it's their patient or not.

scooter11

scooter11

USA
OLD SKOOL

FEB 11, 2004 07:17 PM

Cash and s5, among others, have the right idea. Atkins's insight about watching non-complex carbs is useful. It's also true that, for the same calories higher-fat foods are much more filling, so adding more protein and less carbs may allow some people to control portions, which is often the biggest problem. On the other hand, while I'm sure Atkins is OK if you can excercise a lot, it would seem to me to be a pretty low-energy diet. I can't see doing intense cardio after a plate of prime rib...Anyway, I've lost 75 pounds or so in 18 months, and I eat pasta at least 3 times a week. Control your calories, eat a balanced diet, excercise. Do what works to achieve this. It's not rocket sciene, if health is your goal.

While I'm not an Atkins advocate, though, I would like to note that even if Atkins died of a heart attack and was overweight, this proves exactly nothing. Correlation ain't causation, particularly when the sample is 1...

uglyart

uglyart

Danville, VA
January 2004

FEB 11, 2004 07:45 PM

scooter11 said:
Cash and s5, among others, have the right idea. Atkins's insight about watching non-complex carbs is useful. It's also true that, for the same calories higher-fat foods are much more filling, so adding more protein and less carbs may allow some people to control portions, which is often the biggest problem. On the other hand, while I'm sure Atkins is OK if you can excercise a lot, it would seem to me to be a pretty low-energy diet. I can't see doing intense cardio after a plate of prime rib...Anyway, I've lost 75 pounds or so in 18 months, and I eat pasta at least 3 times a week. Control your calories, eat a balanced diet, excercise. Do what works to achieve this. It's not rocket sciene, if health is your goal.

While I'm not an Atkins advocate, though, I would like to note that even if Atkins died of a heart attack and was overweight, this proves exactly nothing. Correlation ain't causation, particularly when the sample is 1...



That's an intelligent reply, thanks. I lost a lot of weight eating a lot of pasta once, but it skyrocketed my blood sugar into diabetic turf. That's just me. Whatever you do as long as it works for you is cool.

belleNsebastian

belleNsebastian

I'm lost
January 2004

FEB 11, 2004 09:42 PM

he gained a bunch of weight while in a freakin' coma. it happens. ask a doctor.. it is like people are relishing the death of the dude.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

FEB 12, 2004 12:01 AM

scooter11 said:
Cash and s5, among others, have the right idea. Atkins's insight about watching non-complex carbs is useful.



true enough, though atkins hardly invented the idea. plenty of other diets have involved cutting refined sugars, alcohol and other empty calories. cutting out orange juice, however, is going a bit too far. i'm just waiting for the first atkins / scurvy case to hit the news wires. ARRR!!!

ironstein

ironstein

Australia
December 2003

MAR 23, 2004 04:50 PM

Tried to read all the posts, but didn't notice the one thing that is a major concern with this type of diet, especially to you ladies. Calcium - or the extreme lack thereof. If you follow this diet, beware that it has a great reduction in Calcium, which can lead to a deficiency and associated problems if maintained for any "lengthy" period.

A good sublement, I have heard, is recommended.

It could be more rumour mongering about "fad" diets, but it made sense the way it was explained to me.

Herpes

Herpes

I'm lost
August 2003

MAR 23, 2004 05:42 PM

belleNsebastian OWNS the thread with this post.

belleNsebastian said:
COPIED BELOW - THE TEN WORST FOODS TO CONSUME (bread is on there)

10. Fruit drinks. Not to be confused with fruit juices, fruit drinks are 10 per cent or less real fruit sugar. They're loaded with artificial colouring and sucrose. Definitely teeth rotters.

9. White bread. Yes, this is a junk food. Everytime you're looking at a slice of white bread you are seeing a slice of sugar -- it acts in the body the same way.

8. Doughnut. It's white bread dipped and deep-fried and sugar. What can be worse? No wonder there's a big hole in the middle, it's a nutritional zero.

7. Decaffeinated coffee. An excellent way to remove the caffeine and add chemical solvent residue right into your favourite beverage.

6. Pop. Let's see now, how do you spell increased bone breakage? P-O-P.

5. Diet pop. You get all the dandy benefits of pop, plus artificial sweetener, which has been shown in studies to actually increase your sugar cravings and alter your brain chemistry.

4. Sugary breakfast cereals. Now here's a guarantee: If you want to start your day in a low lifeforce mode, then this is the junk breakfast for you.

3. Deep-dish pizza. This is an excellent way to stack, jack and pack your G.I. tract with one big dollop of sodium, dough and fat -- an overnight weight-gain wonder.

2. Ice cream. Here's a beauty, high in sugar and high in fat, for another whack attack on your pancreas and your arteries.

And the number one worst junk food hands down is...

1. French fries and potato chips. Here's why: Yes, it's unparalleled sodium-loading enzyme-dead food. But new information now shows that it's high in acrylimide, a known cancer-causing agent. In fact, the amount of acyrlimide in a serving of fast-food French fries is 300 times above the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's limit set for one glass of water.

Now, every behaviour carries with it it's own consequences. It's no different with nutrition. Reality or fantasy, take your pick. Choose wisely.


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[Edited on Feb 10, 2004 by belleNsebastian]



JaneDoe666

JaneDoe666

I'm lost
February 2004

MAR 23, 2004 06:16 PM

the guy who created the power bar just died of a heart attack, too:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=4614039

surreal

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