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vampiresoldier

vampiresoldier

Oakland, CA
March 2004

JAN 31, 2010 07:42 PM

Yeah, the AF is getting its PS3 fit.

I mean, fucking seriously? Over 2000 PS3's when complete? Is this why the Air Force gets more funds then any other service? To buy fucking PS3's?

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JAN 31, 2010 07:44 PM

well, no. part of their funding goes to those swank-ass DFACs, which are a vital factor in our national defense.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 31, 2010 07:44 PM

That's fucked up. The Air Force could buy 5 hammers with that money.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 31, 2010 07:45 PM

Did you even read the article?

No doubt the Air Force purchasing department gets some odd requests from time to time, but we'd love to have seen the grin on the face of the officer tasked with procuring some 1,700 Playstation 3s for a USAF facility in Rome, NY.

Before you complain about your tax dollars being spent on toys, the machines aren't for gaming. Instead, the facility -- an Air Force research lab -- will join them into a parallel-computing cluster that, when complete, will number well over 2,000 PS3s.

The supercomputer -- snappily monikered "500 TeraFLOPS Heterogeneous Cluster" -- will be put to work playing 2,000 simultaneous games of God of War III. Wait, no. Among other things, they'll be attempting to simulate the way the human brain processes information and how it pulls off the remarkably difficult task of recognizing the content of images.

"Humans can routinely do these things, but a computer struggles to do it," the facility's computing director Mark Barnell told Stars and Stripes. "In a general sense, we are interested in making it autonomous."

The cluster won't be as powerful as a regular supercomputing rig, but it will be cheaper and more environmentally friendly: it'll consume as much as 95% less electrical power and shut down unused machines when the cluster isn't running at full capacity.

PointBlank

PointBlank

New York, NY
November 2004

JAN 31, 2010 07:46 PM

New rule: Any article that uses "Wait, no." isn't a news article.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JAN 31, 2010 07:50 PM

vampiresoldier said:
Yeah, the AF is getting its PS3 fit.

I mean, fucking seriously? Over 2000 PS3's when complete? Is this why the Air Force gets more funds then any other service? To buy fucking PS3's?



Well, the Chair Force needs something to do.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 31, 2010 07:53 PM

Also, isn't this really just a drop in the bucket?

vampiresoldier

vampiresoldier

Oakland, CA
March 2004

JAN 31, 2010 08:14 PM

And yes, i did read the article, and you don't need over 2000 PS3 to simulate the human brain, i'm pretty sure there are over 2000 fat air force people that can be hooked up with cables on their head to do the same shit.

When my unit doesn't even have money to send us to train, reading shit like this makes me want to punch every AF asshole i see.

Edited to say: This is the service that just last year was kicking people out because the had way too many personnel and didn't want to pay them, way to go AF.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JAN 31, 2010 08:32 PM

hey, somebody's gotta crack captcha.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JAN 31, 2010 08:39 PM

motorfirebox said:
hey, somebody's gotta crack captcha.



Pirates?

gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

FEB 01, 2010 01:27 AM

vampiresoldier said:
And yes, i did read the article, and you don't need over 2000 PS3 to simulate the human brain, i'm pretty sure there are over 2000 fat air force people that can be hooked up with cables on their head to do the same shit.


Out of curiosity, would you have had the same reaction had you read about a 2000 CPU cluster being produced for the Air Force by IBM at a unit cost an order of magnitude more expensive than a PS3?

When my unit doesn't even have money to send us to train, reading shit like this makes me want to punch every AF asshole i see.


Your unit is not underfunded because the Air Force is building one computing cluster.

Edited to say: This is the service that just last year was kicking people out because the had way too many personnel and didn't want to pay them, way to go AF.


Were they kicking people out because of budget issues, or because they were overstaffed? You make it sound like the latter, which seems a pretty silly thing to complain about.

mydogfarted

mydogfarted

Oakland, NJ
June 2003

FEB 01, 2010 07:54 AM

Coyotemike said:


The cluster won't be as powerful as a regular supercomputing rig, but it will be cheaper and more environmentally friendly: it'll consume as much as 95% less electrical power and shut down unused machines when the cluster isn't running at full capacity.



Wow. I'd be curious to see that power breakdown. Many of the supercomputers also require ridiculous amounts of cooling... plus they can't play Rock Band.

videoeye

videoeye

Los Angeles, CA
July 2005

FEB 01, 2010 09:11 AM

gdarklighter said:

vampiresoldier said:
And yes, i did read the article, and you don't need over 2000 PS3 to simulate the human brain, i'm pretty sure there are over 2000 fat air force people that can be hooked up with cables on their head to do the same shit.


Out of curiosity, would you have had the same reaction had you read about a 2000 CPU cluster being produced for the Air Force by IBM at a unit cost an order of magnitude more expensive than a PS3?




That happens every day. That's the reason why this is news, because is a way to CUT costs.

videoeye

videoeye

Los Angeles, CA
July 2005

FEB 01, 2010 09:14 AM


By the way, this looks like a project for HUDs (Head Up Display). I think is a justified project.

s5

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

FEB 01, 2010 10:11 AM

The government figured out a way to cut costs by buying cheap gaming consoles instead of computers, so we should cut the program and replace it with something more expensive. whatever

Invisible_Man

Invisible_Man

I'm lost
May 2009

FEB 01, 2010 10:52 AM

Everyone knows that the best defense is a strong offense -- watch out, N. Korea!

Elichrusos

Elichrusos

I'm lost
October 2007

FEB 01, 2010 11:37 PM

s5 said:
The government figured out a way to cut costs by buying cheap gaming consoles instead of computers, so we should cut the program and replace it with something more expensive. whatever



This.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 02, 2010 06:20 PM

s5 said:
The government figured out a way to cut costs by buying cheap gaming consoles instead of computers, so we should cut the program and replace it with something more expensive. whatever



Seriously. "Hey, this works well and is cheaper than the alternative, but it sounds silly! Let's trash it!"

Aaron

Aaron

Shakopee, MN
July 2004

FEB 02, 2010 08:19 PM

vampiresoldier said:
And yes, i did read the article, and you don't need over 2000 PS3 to simulate the human brain, i'm pretty sure there are over 2000 fat air force people that can be hooked up with cables on their head to do the same shit.

When my unit doesn't even have money to send us to train, reading shit like this makes me want to punch every AF asshole i see.

Edited to say: This is the service that just last year was kicking people out because the had way too many personnel and didn't want to pay them, way to go AF.



Thank you for sharing your opinion, it was well thought out and insightful.

Air Force Budget, 2010 - $160.5 billion

Army Budget, 2010 - $225.2 billion

Navy/Marine Corps Budget, 2010 - $171.7 billion

I hope the DoD does the right thing and starts giving the Army their fair share, it's absolutely egregious that the Air Force would spend $40,000 on equipment for a research and development project.



Is this why the Air Force gets more funds then any other service? To buy fucking PS3's?



Uh, no.

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

I'm lost
September 2004

FEB 03, 2010 04:23 AM

game consoles are used in recruitment centers

/thread killed

Lone_Ranger

Lone_Ranger

I'm lost
September 2004

FEB 03, 2010 04:52 AM

Wait, no.

The Air Force is responsible for aerial surveillance, so image processing would fall into that category.

Couple that with "4-D Mapping"

NPR 2009 inaguration demonstration of "4 D" mapping.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

FEB 03, 2010 09:27 AM

Aaron said:
Air Force Budget, 2010 - $160.5 billion

Army Budget, 2010 - $225.2 billion

Navy/Marine Corps Budget, 2010 - $171.7 billion

I hope the DoD does the right thing and starts giving the Army their fair share, it's absolutely egregious that the Air Force would spend $40,000 on equipment for a research and development project.


well, to be accurate, the Air Force has 194k fewer troops than the Army, meaning their budget is $65k more per soldier than the Army's.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 03, 2010 10:05 AM

motorfirebox said:

Aaron said:
Air Force Budget, 2010 - $160.5 billion

Army Budget, 2010 - $225.2 billion

Navy/Marine Corps Budget, 2010 - $171.7 billion

I hope the DoD does the right thing and starts giving the Army their fair share, it's absolutely egregious that the Air Force would spend $40,000 on equipment for a research and development project.


well, to be accurate, the Air Force has 194k fewer troops than the Army, meaning their budget is $65k more per soldier than the Army's.



But that $65k (and I really don't think it works like that anyway) more per soldier pay for the Air Force to develop the technology that helps protect the members of the other branches? You know, sending in a drone instead of a column of troops; providing satellite recon; sending in guided missiles instead of risking a plane to enemy fire . . . stuff like that?

gunterhass

gunterhass

Colorado Springs, CO
January 2010

FEB 03, 2010 10:20 AM

They should just outsource it to a privatized company to do the research. They have more resources and costs would be half what the Airforce spent. Everything the Militaries buy is overpriced. The way the article pitched it also makes it sound ridiculous as well, and I'm sure there could have been a better way to say it all.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

FEB 03, 2010 11:04 AM

Coyotemike said:

motorfirebox said:

Aaron said:
Air Force Budget, 2010 - $160.5 billion

Army Budget, 2010 - $225.2 billion

Navy/Marine Corps Budget, 2010 - $171.7 billion

I hope the DoD does the right thing and starts giving the Army their fair share, it's absolutely egregious that the Air Force would spend $40,000 on equipment for a research and development project.


well, to be accurate, the Air Force has 194k fewer troops than the Army, meaning their budget is $65k more per soldier than the Army's.



But that $65k (and I really don't think it works like that anyway) more per soldier pay for the Air Force to develop the technology that helps protect the members of the other branches? You know, sending in a drone instead of a column of troops; providing satellite recon; sending in guided missiles instead of risking a plane to enemy fire . . . stuff like that?


i'm not arguing against this expenditure, just pointing out that total budget isn't the whole story.

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