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velvet_petal

velvet_petal

I'm lost
November 2006

JAN 26, 2010 03:08 PM

motorfirebox said:

velvet_petal said:
Both parties would be wise to take heed and get with the program. There is a huge anti-incumbency sentiment growing amongst the silent masses.


while that's true, i think the Democrats are likely in the same position the GOP was in back in 2006. being anti-incumbent, in this era of antagonistic two-party politics, means being pro-other-guy. the GOP is the other guy in this case, as the Dems were in 2006. frankly, i don't think the GOP is going to have to do much to get a sweep in November--just step out of the way and let the Dems continue to fumble.

you don't have to be right to get elected. you just have to make sure everyone knows the other guy is wrong.


Absolutely. The best tactic for the GOP is to tread lightly and the best for the Dems is to grab the job creations issue and run with it. If that doesn't happen, credibility and seats will be lost and for good reason.

It's going to be an exciting year for all. Can't wait for tomorrow's speech.

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JAN 26, 2010 03:48 PM

MFB/VP

No, I'm not being obsessive over a minor issue of wording.

I don't -- at all -- begrudge people their desire to vent at a situation that Bush (et al.) takes a major share of resopnsibilty for creating, but that Obama (et al.) is arguably (mis)underestimating and mishandling.

The Republicans have a fundamental problem with honesty (which works in their favour), as well as a fundamental problem with managerial competence in government, the impacts of which are mitigated by their ability to be brazenly dishonest.

The Democrats have a fundamental problem with political incompetence, which is large enough to offset their relative managerial competence, and they don't handle the Repubs' ability to lie out loud, again and again, at all effectively.

I think the Dems have to sort their own shit out, which might be asking too much. (Just see Jon Stewart's despairing take on the Mass. election outcome.)

But asking Republicans -- not the elected officials and Fox News spin doctors and buttlickers, but the registered supporters! -- to ask sensible questions and expect honest answers seems a relatively small thing, to me.

The "precognition" argument got under my skin because it suggests that nobody knew the budget deficit was spinning out of control until last year. Give me a fucking break. That's the kind of slippery dishonesty that's a key part of the problem.

velvet_petal

velvet_petal

I'm lost
November 2006

JAN 26, 2010 10:17 PM

TheFuckOffKid said:
MFB/VP
The "precognition" argument got under my skin because it suggests that nobody knew the budget deficit was spinning out of control until last year.


I was being uncharacteristically snarky with that. Thought that was the price of admission around here. wink

TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JAN 26, 2010 11:44 PM

Yeah, no.

Let's move on, shall we?

velvet_petal

velvet_petal

I'm lost
November 2006

JAN 27, 2010 10:42 AM

TheFuckOffKid said:
Yeah, no.
Let's move on, shall we?


Sounds good.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

As a side note, Buckley and those from his school of thinking were highly critical of Bush during those years you mentioned. The American Conservative magazine was hardcore anti-Bush while it was in publication and during those very years. In return other conservatives were highly critical of them too and each other, and with many Bush could do no wrong. It is never as black and white as seems to be portrayed but people forget because it doesn't fit the narrative of what is popular to hear. That's really what troubles me sometimes and why I've been stepping in a bit around here, for whatever it's worth. Anyway, last word on this goes to you if you want it.


TheFuckOffKid

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

JAN 27, 2010 05:08 PM

velvet_petal said:

TheFuckOffKid said:
Yeah, no.
Let's move on, shall we?


Sounds good.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

As a side note, Buckley and those from his school of thinking were highly critical of Bush during those years you mentioned. The American Conservative magazine was hardcore anti-Bush while it was in publication and during those very years. In return other conservatives were highly critical of them too and each other, and with many Bush could do no wrong. It is never as black and white as seems to be portrayed but people forget because it doesn't fit the narrative of what is popular to hear. That's really what troubles me sometimes and why I've been stepping in a bit around here, for whatever it's worth. Anyway, last word on this goes to you if you want it.




For better or worse, the "left" will be harder on their own than the "right" will be. Judging by discourse on this board since my time at this site, the typical "SG Conservative" group member would have spent their time on this board during the Bush years defending or rationalising just about every action the Bush administration took.

(I stress the typical SG Cons member, not every single member. There are people in that group I like and respect.)

A year into Obama's tenure and already people who supported and voted for him are openly questioning his performance and his capability.

The conservative voices who criticised Bush and his administration were mostly marginal and marginalised.

It's not the conservatism of conservatives that I take issue with. One can have a sensible and reasonable debate about conservatism. It's the reactionary nature of so many conservatives that grates. And I include the DJFarces and Sarges of this site as prime examples. One cannot debate them.

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