Terrorist Attacks under Bush vs. Obama

Terror Attacks Under Bush: 22

Deaths: 3010

* July 27, 2008 - Jim David Adkisson shoots two persons in a Unitarian Church
* May 5, 2008 - Pipe Bomb detonated outside Federal Courthouse in San Diego
* March 7th, 2008 - Bomb detonated at Times Square Recruiting center in NY.
* December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque.
* May 9, 2007: Unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
* April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death.
* April 16, 2007 - Terrorism? Virginia Tech Shootings.
* September 13, 2006 David McMenemy crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.
* March 2006 - Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
* December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana.
* July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson.
* October 1, 2005 - Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.
* October 2002 - John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks
* July 4, 2002 - An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
* May 2002: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest.
* January 5, 2002 - 15yo Charles Bishop, expressing sympathy for bin Laden, crashes his Cessna into a Tampa Florida Skyscraper
* June 11, 2001: Tacoma, Washington bombing destroys a Clinic Wall
* December 12, 2001 - Jewish Defense League plot by Chairman Irv Rubin and follower Earl Krugel to blow up the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California, and the office of Lebanese-American Rep. Darrell Issa, foiled.
* December 22, 2001 - Richard Reid attempts to bomb flight 63
* November 2001 - Clayton Waagner mails powder-laden envelopes to 550+ Clinics, is convicted on 51 counts in 2003.
* September 2001 - 5 People Killed, 17 Infected by Anthrax laden letters, $250million spent cleaning up postal facilities.
* September 11, 2001 - 15 Saudis, 2, UAEs, 1 Egyptian and 1 Lebanese Hijackers kill 2,973 persons, cost billions of dollars, and cause permenant, irreparable damages to modern societies freedoms to the United States citizens.

Terror Attacks Under Obama: 6

Deaths: 15

* Christmas Underpants Bomber
* November 5, 2009 - Ft. Hood Gunman killed 13, injured 30.
* June 11, 2009 - White Supremacist Von Brunn kills woman at Holocaust Museum
* May 31, 2009 - Dr. George Tiller Murdered
* February 4th, 2009 - West Memphis, Arkansas, United States. Trent P. Pierce Chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board was critically injured in a car bombing that occurred in his drive way.
* January 22, 2009 (2 days into office) - Matthew Derosia drives his SUV into a Planned Parenthood facility

Terrorism:The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

DJForce said:

Source:http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/terrorism

How many of the above are done "with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons" by an "organized group against people or property"? How many are just crimes?

DJForce said:

Source:http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/terrorism

How many of the above are done "with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons" by an "organized group against people or property"? How many are just crimes?

person or an organized group

Mtpetey said:
Both Obama and Bush had the same amount of terrorist attacks within there first year in office. Does this mean we should expect 16 more terrorist attacks before 2018?

MrCrisp said:

Care to provide some examples?

Coyotemike said:

Weird that you leave an important word, from your own definition btw, from your question:

. In which case, I would say that each and every single one of those, particularly the attacks on clinics, is absolutely an act of terrorism.

But good try. A complete failure, but good try.

Otoki said:

I'm trying to be good and not click on his posts, but is DJForce trying to argue that women's clinic bombings aren't a form of terrorism?

DJForce said:

* July 27, 2008 - Jim David Adkisson shoots two persons in a Unitarian Church
"The man accused of shooting and killing two people in a Knoxville church Sunday wrote that he hated liberals and was bitter he couldn't find a job, police said Monday. Authorities added he may also have been angry about possibly losing his food stamps"
- Crime, not terrorism. No political motive

* May 5, 2008 - Pipe Bomb detonated outside Federal Courthouse in San Diego.
"In August 1991, 36-year-old David Kevin Cox of Escondido was charged with five counts connected to the bombing. He was convicted and sentenced to 10 years and one month in federal prison for making the bomb; he was acquited of setting it off."
- Crime, not terrorism. No political motive

* March 7th, 2008 - Bomb detonated at Times Square Recruiting center in NY.
"Whoever the coward was that committed this disgraceful act on our city will be found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law," said Bloomberg. "We will not tolerate such attacks."
- Crime, not terrorism. No political motive

* December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque.
* May 9, 2007: Unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
* April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death.
* September 13, 2006 David McMenemy crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinc.
- Close, but still a crime, not terrorism. Domestic activities, and not planned by an organization or group, such as Al-Qaeda.

* April 16, 2007 - Terrorism? Virginia Tech Shootings.
Rejection, real and imagined, became an early theme of Seung-Hui Cho's life and might have helped precipitate his psychological unraveling during Cho's final years at Virginia Tech.
- Crime, not terrorism. The man was crazy, not motivated by ideology

I got bored after these, but the pattern is clear.

Otoki said:
I'm trying to be good and not click on his posts, but is DJForce trying to argue that women's clinic bombings aren't a form of terrorism?

DJForce said:
* May 5, 2008 - Pipe Bomb detonated outside Federal Courthouse in San Diego.
"In August 1991, 36-year-old David Kevin Cox of Escondido was charged with five counts connected to the bombing. He was convicted and sentenced to 10 years and one month in federal prison for making the bomb; he was acquited of setting it off."
- Crime, not terrorism. No political motive

I got bored after these, but the pattern is clear.

Our San Diego 6 News investigation uncovered that one defendant, Rachelle Carlock, has a father who has filed over 100 Americans with Disabilities Act access suits in federal court in San Diego.

Matt Collins is a car dealer hit by a Gaynor Carlock access lawsuit. He fought back in court against Carlock and uncovered that Carlock "had been a felon for drug sales," according to Collins.

And Carlock had a habit of filing identical suits for injuries he sustained at various places in the state -- all on the same day.

In 2005, Carlock was sanctioned by a judge for the lawsuits and restricted in the way he could file them in the future, saying the lawsuits had been a lucrative cottage industry of harassing businesses.

Terrorism:The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Otoki said:

I'm trying to be good and not click on his posts, but is DJForce trying to argue that women's clinic bombings aren't a form of terrorism?

FearTheReaper said:

I guess. Unless you actually read stuff.

Blowing up five pipe bombs over a couple of days, three at a Federal Courthouse, is pretty much the definition of terrorism.

Unless, of course, you think they were just 'bombin' and stuff."

DJForce said:

Are you trying to equate Al-Qaeda to anti-abortion crimes? I do see the similarities, but no one really thinks that pro-life criminals are out to take over the world.

Al-Qaeda wants the western world to submit to muslim rule or die. Pro-lifers want babies to live. Not really much of a comparison.

Terrorism:The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

DJForce said:
Are you trying to equate Al-Qaeda to anti-abortion crimes? I do see the similarities, but no one really thinks that pro-life criminals are out to take over the world.

Al-Qaeda wants the western world to submit to muslim rule or die. Pro-lifers want babies to live. Not really much of a comparison.

DJForce said:
<sigh...> Care to debate the facts, not just hurl insults...

DJForce said:

<sigh...> Care to debate the facts, not just hurl insults...

motorfirebox said:

oh my god. oh my god.

what would be the point!? you wouldn't recognize a fact if it blew up your house!

Coyotemike said:

So, me pointing out that you got the facts wrong is tantamount to an insult? You must get insulted alot.