Global Warming is a Hoax.

But when the Chinese act to control their population, they are damned from the rooftops.

Why?
If I am reading that Venn diagram correctly, then the U.S.A. has used nearly ten times as much energy, per capita, then any other population.

China increasing its emissions is, unfortunately, closely tied to large numbers of the population approaching the U.S.'s standard of living.

"Do as I say, not as I do"?

It has to be admitted that more ecologically sound technologies are more expensive and less efficient. From a distance, it looks like more "advanced" nations, and environmental agencies, want to deny other nation's the same standard of living, and competitive advantage of their technologies. Effectively, it may be true.

Whoops! Misphrased it.
Ecologically sound tech is more efficient over the long term with an accurate portrayal of ecological repercussion.
Quick and dirty tech is more economically efficient over the short term (i.e. its cheaper to install), and if ecological cost is ignored. Ignored, as the U.S. has done.
My mistake.

An interesting article about the way that global warming translates into climate change:
with some interesting maps.

Precis: The circulation of water in the Arctic Ocean is protected from the influence of warmer underlying water by the presence of sea ice, because the ice prevents winds from generating waves which in turn will mix the water layers. As the sea ice disappears, so the existing circulation will be disrupted.

I just thought I'd dig this up from the depths of the sixteenth page. I'm curious to know if after a year anyone has anything to add. Any new developments?

Moon base.

That's all I can say.

shhhh.
vote gingrich.

It's not just whether the earth is warming or cooling, that's moral panic used by politicians, corporations & the media. The real issue is we shouldn't be shitting in our own nest. We shouldn't be using the planets' resources as if it were a bottomless pit. We shouldn't be cutting down forests with againly zeal. Oil will run out in the next 50 years that's a fact, if we don't curb our comsumption and come up with cleaner & renewable alternatives, our society as we know it will stop. Our kids will be left with pictures of what the world looked like before. History will judge us as the pigs we are. That's our legacy & it's a piss poor FAIL.

Sounds like a pipe dream, and a waste of tax payers money for an already dept ridden nation.

Someone forgot to double tap this thread?

Wat iz dept?

A new type of hair gel that won't let you down when you're trying to keep from getting blown away the middle of a raging hurricane? Will it also keep you afloat amid rising flood waters? And how about shielding you from UV rays when you're trekking through the sun cracked dust bowl of America's breadbasket? I sure hope so!

This message brought to you by the clearly underfunded:

Way to steer things off topic! I'm trying to understand the logic behind what you just wrote, are you saying that by the time global warming takes it's toll on the Earth, we'll all be wishing we risked (not like you have a choice) sinking further into dept and went forward with plans to build a moon base?

So, the best course of action is to move the population to a barren desolate rock, which has no atmosphere, has little to no proof of water, which is smaller than earth, has a weaker gravitational field, and is how many miles away? That's the best way to deal global warming? Sure, you won't have to deal with hurricanes or floods, but you will have to deal with a lack of oxygen, solar radiation, extreme variants in temperature, and I'm not sure what the effects of a mass coronal ejection are on electronic equipment while stationed on a satellite without an ozone layer. Essentially, you're moving to a place that is little different from an absolute worst case scenario here on Earth, so why not just save yourself the trip? Otherwise, better book your flight in advance and start saving money now, because something tells me the VIP section is going to fill up pretty fast and seats aren't going to be cheap. This is provided there even is such a thing as global warming, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves don't you think? Can we try and stay on topic?

Yes, clearly your education system is under funded, because your government obviously have better thing to spend tax payers money on, like building a moon base! I take it you're the product of public education, aren't you? I can see we're going to be the best of friends during my short stay on these board...

Or, were you genuinely asking me what dept is? Google it, unless of course you'd like my personal opinion, which I'm reluctant to share.

Does anyone have anything relevant to contribute?

Here's one. Heartland Institute bankrolling climate change skeptics with millions of dollars from carbon industry

Wow, someone really stepped in it.

But since someone is earnestly asking others to contribute to a thread they resurrected, I`ll play nice. How about this.

The Heartland Institute, well known for their support of the tobacco industry in 90s for denying the hazards of cigarette smoke, is getting burned again by memos that were recently leaked in a scandal being dubbed "denialgate." The memos detail how hundreds of thousands of dollars were donated to the Libertarian think tank from big donors like the Koch Foundation. These funds were being directed towards influencing curriculum in schools and introducing changes in textbooks, labeling climate research as “controversial and uncertain," and encouraging students to research climate change skeptics.

Much of the other funding was targeting media, with almost $400,000 of the fund slated to pay the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (regular denial writers) to counter the most recent scientific reports from the UN's U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Further direct payments worth several thousand dollars per month were planned for prominent and active climate change deniers, including Craig Idso, Fred Singer and Robert Carter, as well as planned $90,000 budget for skeptic blogger, Anthony Watts, for 2012. The memos also detail the groups paranoia about "warmist" climate change scientists infringing upon their turf in articles that have begun sprouting up to counter the deniers claims in business publications like Forbes magazine.

I know about the moon base thing being a joke, but now that I think about it it brings to mind the Shimuzu Corporations' Lunar Ring Solar Energy Plant

I didn't even realize I'd written dept, that is funny!

Now that's news!! Thanks!

The Heartland Institute is also responsible for trying to pretend "scientifically" that second-hand smoke wasn't an issue, while accepting tobacco industry money.

You caught it before my edit, good call (for Philip Morris).

sorry. this thread is like a zombie. it will never die.

nor should it.

There are still people who trust whatever the Heartland Institute says? Le sigh.