the example of the soldier who died during training, died after he went on a solo land navigation course. he wasnt left behind. several hours after all the other students had returned, a search was started to find him. its a terrible tragedy, but he was found with everything he would have needed to survive, he just didnt have what it takes.
Just when we think you couldn't be an even worse excuse for a human being, you go and say something like that.
It's like you're a conglomeration of the worst B-movie stereotypes.
dude. Phadrius. No. he didn't have everything. he was out of water..hence why he died of dehydration. And funny thing is...he tried several times to phone someone and no one came to help him. I covered this damn story. I lived there. my ex was on the friggin search team as a volunteer. no one listened to him.
people like you are the exact reason why there are so many disgusting problems with the military.
edit to add: it took searchers approx. three days to find him. he did NOT have what he needed.
the example of the soldier who died during training, died after he went on a solo land navigation course. he wasnt left behind. several hours after all the other students had returned, a search was started to find him. its a terrible tragedy, but he was found with everything he would have needed to survive, he just didnt have what it takes.
Just when we think you couldn't be an even worse excuse for a human being, you go and say something like that.
It's like you're a conglomeration of the worst B-movie stereotypes.
dude. Phadrius. No. he didn't have everything. he was out of water..hence why he died of dehydration. And funny thing is...he tried several times to phone someone and no one came to help him. I covered this damn story. I lived there. my ex was on the friggin search team as a volunteer. no one listened to him.
people like you are the exact reason why there are so many disgusting problems with the military.
edit to add: it took searchers approx. three days to find him. he did NOT have what he needed.
Thank you. When he said "he didn't have what it takes" i just about vomited.
Wow I'm coming in on the end of this and I really don't know where to start.
Really Phaedrius?! REALLY?!!! I never liked Marines exactly because of the mentality you consistantly display, but DAMN, do you really have to b e that much of a FUCKING stereotype?! Did they really brainwash you that bad?
As for the soldier getting captured it does happen, more than the military would like to admit. When I left Iraq my unit was replaced by the Pennsylvania National Guard and on one of the last patrols they did while we were there they actually left one of their Sergeants at an Iraqi checkpoint. They didn't even realize he wasn't with them till they had made it all the way back to base, he was sitting out in the middle of nowehre for 45 minutes with a bunch of Iraqis and no interpretor and they were really lucky he was still there when they finally came back for him.
Now I'd like to say this is because the National Guard doesn't get the same training the active duty Army does and can't be expected to perform as such, which all Army rivalries aside is really true. The active duty Army trains 24/7, we don't get a break, we don't get to go back home to our civilian jobs and families for a month and forget about how much we were sucking during training we're out in the field everyday sucking it up training our asses off with lack of sleep and food. You can't really expect someone who might do actual training once a month for a day or two with a couple weeks of train up right before deployment to perform to the same standard as people who live it everyday.
But sadly this kind of thing happens in the active duty too. One of my drill sergeants who was in the initial invasion was left behind in a village by himself by his platoon leader for two hours. For two hours he just chilled out in the village trying to keep his cool before his platoon leader realized someone was missing and turned around. Honestly I'm suprised he didn't shoot that butterbar when they finally came back for him. Point is shit happens, sometimes shit goes wrong, and it's not necessarilly the fault of the captured soldier, as far as I know they haven't confirmed how he was captured yet so I'm not going to run around pointing fingers.
As for SERE training before deployment, the SERE training most combat arms soldiers receive before deployment is just an online class that talks about survival and various interrogation techniques that might be used on them. It's hard to get into the actual SERE school unless you're in a SpecOps or SF unit. This soldier might have violated the Code of Conduct by endorsing the enemy's position but until any of you have survived torture and serious interrogation I don't think you have any room to judge him for what he did.
Cheyenne
SUICIDEGIRL
USA
JUL 24, 2009 05:52 PM