Don't Ask, Don't Heil

Okay, this is "Scanners" level head-pain. If I take your meaning in the above snark correctly, then I have a question:

What the fuck did you mean when you said "talk hard," then? What ridiculous and arbitrary line are you drawing between "verbal provocation" and a soldier's boast of and claim to membership in a hate organization? Seriously. Read that question again and again and make absolutely sure you understand it before answering. It will save a lot of time.

Agreed. I'm done trying to reason with somebody who would much rather warp reality

other than trolling troll bastards, at least

mingol wrote:

Yes! Perfect example.

Now, take a look at how many people who belong to this site assert it is not pornography, or insist that it soft pornography. How many people here---including myself---believe that pornography, of itself, is not demeaning to women (or men, for that matter).

But there are plenty of people who do. And to bring Gringo's post into the discourse, almost all of the anti-pornography campaigns insist that pornography is somehow responsible for, or at least inextricably associated with, pedophilia. Television shows make facts of suppositions about ponrography---only perverts, pedophiles, and serial killers, keep "violent pornography". What is "violent pornography" Many---as far as I know, most---of the anti-pornography crowd insist that any bondage or discipline depiction "encourages violence against women"; they make the same arguments against all sorts of pornography (including this site).

And tens of millions of nice, respectable, middle-class folk silently assent to this madness by not saying otherwise, and by doing just this same bullshit in public; agreeing with the extreme view, in public, out of fear, regardless of what they may have in their own closet or under their own bed, and pretending there is a moral absolute where none exists.

This is the difficulty most of you keep wanting to avoid---you want to make a nice, safe, abstract judgement based on a stated principal, and pretend that life is really like that. And if that becomes inconvenient because of something as bothersome as history---a former Secretary General of the United Nations, say---you blather on about how "brain dumb" it is (or more specifically, you call me "brain dumb" and other names---rather like the anti-porn people call you names).

I say you are wrong. I say extremism is NOT whatever Toku666, or Otoki, or Cheynne, or Mr Crisp, say it is at any given moment. It is more complex than you all of you want to admit---in a public forum, at least. Kurt Waldenheim, born an Austrian, was a young man in the German Army doing his duty in Greece. His duty was reprehensible, but it was his duty, nonetheless. As a grown man, he chose a different path, and his commitment to that path was rewarded with the highest office of the United Nations.

I feel that is as relevant to the discussion---Toku666's absolutism notwithstanding---as are all the examples you have given, well, had any of you actually given an example not created in your own minds. Instead of name-calling and clucking to yourselves about how witty you are, find some examples of the conduct you assert results from all these extremists overflowing the service; find an incidence of murder in a fight deriving from racial hatred, or a case where a soldier left a comrade to die because they were of different races.

off the top of my head? PVT Randy Meadows.

Hey guys! It's not extremism, it's duty!

after checking, the PVTs actually charged with murder in the case i was thinking of were James Burmeister II and Malcolm Wright Jr. Meadows was an accessory.

Fine, caryn.

Nobody is ever a racist, sexist, or any kind of extremist. Ever. Simply because they might believe that they aren't. Hitler held no responsibility for any action taken in any Nazi death camp. Roger, that. Just because you can say words long enough to convince yourself that white is black, it means that white is black. You win.

You really should have paid more attention in school.

EDIT: On the real, you never answered my fucking question, either. You just bloviated for another marathon post, and managed to use a hill of words to say nothing.

She knows the answer, but it would be a waste if she told you. We obviously can't handle the complexities of the issue.

Please why don't you ask me to bet that the sun does not rise in the East?


BTW what happened to no more 4:00 AM postings?

You are such a flirt.