NEWS: Asshole Fuckface Roundup #104

Associated Press, June 16, 2009
Fewer than half of Veterans Affairs centers given a surprise inspection last month had proper training and guidelines in place for common endoscopic procedures such as colonoscopies — even after the agency learned that mistakes may have exposed thousands of veterans to HIV and other diseases.

how about that..... hmmm this was back in june hey you think they changed everything that quick??? you sure make it seem that way.....

I really wish we could hear more from veterans about the VA, both good and bad stories as well as from any other folks from nations with Universal Healthcare coverage. Anyone?

As for Joe Lieberman, this isn't the first time he has "changed" his position on issues....
minimum wages
Social Security
School Vouchers (before and after his run for the VP)

In all of these issues, he has changed his mind for political expediency. But, I would expect any politician to be capable of changing their position based on their needs or the needs of the highest bidder. My guess is that Joe is more than likely looking for exemptions for others (companies) or a piece of the action from healthcare reform.

Nationalized health care is the worst thing that could happen to this country. If the government gets control of health care, they will have complete control over every facet of our lives. They can tell us exactly what we can and can't do because it's dangerous and we won't give you health care if you do this or you don't do that. And they would start with something innocuous that most Americans won't have a problem with. Like smoking or mandatory immunizations. Some people would raise hell but not the majority and it would slip through the cracks. But what about when they take away something that you enjoy doing because it's bad for your health? The government is slowly aquiring more and more power. When will America wake up and decide that it has grabbed too much?

Health Care is the ultimate case that proves wrong the statement: "The Private Sector can always do it better."

If you really think Universal health care is that bad and that dangerous, do not attack it, but go attack the health care companies driving us to it. Tell them to get their shit together and stop fucking us. Go be proactive and prove your theories right instead of just crying over big government.

All Big Business has ever done to America is fuck it. Whereas Big Government has saved millions of lives through Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Show me an industry that has gone unregulated and not become a giant scam? You can't, because it is impossible to completely trust a Corporation to do right when no one is watching. At least with Government I occasionally have some say over what happens. My vote might not be worth much but it's far more voice than I have with any Corporation.

/rant

Ugh i'm sorry but if Universal Health Care works for England, France and many other countries, why do you assume kiderman and enforcer that it wont work for America?
You say the governments will have control over every aspect of your lives, but it doesnt work like that. Universal health care means..universal. No matter what they have to treat you, wether you smoke or eat unhealthy.
I live in England and i'm telling you...there is no fucking way in hell i'd ever live in America aslong as it has not got Universal Healthcare. It's sickening that you have to pay a whole load of money to be able to get help if you are potentially dying or injured. It's complete bullshit and a basic human right.
I can't even comprehend the amount of debt some people must get in just trying to continue living normally. Here if i hurt myself, i go to hospital, they sort it, i leave. If i get cancer say..i go to a fewhospital appointments, maybe have an operation or two and then if they can save my life i'm good to go. The point is your hospitals are not any better, cleaner or more efficient than ours just because you pay fuck loads of insurance. Here we pay taxes, a fair amount each household can pay, and that is used to help EVERYONE no matter if they can afford to pay or not. It's called looking out for your own people.

You are soooooooo right, that's exactly what countries with public healthcare like Canada do: If the lifestyle of any citizen doesn't agree with the policy from the party in power, they take away all their drug and restrict their access to doctors.

I dont have alot of experience with the VA, but that day will come sooner than Id like.. I can say, the doctor assigned to me wont really do anything because a certain substance is present in my urinalysis, even though said substance is far more effective than the anti-depressant she prescribed (and with far less digestive side-effects). I can see this happening with universal care.
I could rant about the VA itself, but that isnt part of this thread.

its irrelevant when you have a small number of the population gettting healthcare just like you want it for the whole nation??? Please tell me you dont think you should have equal medical benefits when compared to a Vet??? how could you justify that one look at the big picture man, there not getting right now so how could it get any better for you. Obama isint the savior of the USA

theres many people in england,france, and canada that hate it, and have claimed its a failed cause. If you dont work for something in your life why should you get healthcare?? So you can be "looked after". I work for my money i dont want to pay that tax money to people that dont deserve it

And I don't want my hard earned money that I pay for health care to go to some multi-0million dollar salary for an insurance industry exec that knows nothing about medicine. How is this better than being taxed?

It's nice to have another voice of reason on the CE Boards. Welcome!

Know what every single health care reform agitator in Canada says after they claim the public health care system is failing? Essentially it's:

"Now I'm not saying we have to switch to a system as bad as they have in the States..."

*insert Picard pic here*

Medicare, Medicaid are appropriate comparisons.

The VA is not.

Tell us about these people. How many are there? Personally, as someone in Britain, I think it's pretty good.

People here work. They pay tax. Some of that tax money is used to fund the health service. How is that 'not working' for our healthcare?

"The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) was established on March 15, 1989, succeeding the Veterans Administration. It is responsible for providing federal benefits to veterans and their families. Headed by the Secretary of Veterans Affairs, VA is the second-largest of the 15 Cabinet departments and operates nationwide programs for health care, financial assistance and burial benefits."

so the VA is nothing to compare nation wide healthcare with??? imn pretty sure at the bottom it says "operates nationwide programs for healthcare........

"MAR 18 2009: Statistics published by the British Medical Journal calculate that one in ten patients admitted to NHS hospitals will fall victim to medical injury, which have now become Britains fourth biggest killer, In addition to errors by healthcare professionals, patients are also finding themselves at increased risk when in hospital, by exposure to superbugs such as MRSA and CDifficile. In June, the Health Care Commission reported that 25% of primary care and hospital trusts in England were not meeting statutory hygiene standards"

"Despite spending nearly C$100 billion (US$64 billion) per year on healthcare – the most per capita among countries that run a similar system – a study released last week by the Fraser Institute, a public-policy think tank in Vancouver, shows that Canada ranks only slightly higher than Hungary, Poland, and Turkey in the quality of service its citizens receive.

hey that national healthcare system is working great for you, hopefully you stay with the good side of that statistic, hey everyone in these countries is so happy they have national healthcare woot woot!!

Anyone could easily pull up a dozen articles about people dying in American ERs while being ignored by the staff. Health care isn't perfect.

Psh. Medical deaths that aren't caused by socialism don't count.

Yeah, congrats on spewing out lots of stuff that isn't related to what I asked.

Republicans (which includes Joe Lieberman he just doesn't have the balls to admit it) and San Diego suck. Carry on!

its totally related your statistics are right there, your just trying hard to play it off... its ok ill play with you your nations healthcare plan is fantastic along with all the rest

you seem like one of the liberal type that want to drive around cars powered off of cow farts

Your stats prove nothing other than some people get bad medical treatment. I assume that's the best you've got.