sadam found living like bum, libya gives up bomb

Admittedly, quite different goals, but I think a similar outlook though, that was what I was refering to.
Spike

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Indeed, wise words.

I may indeed brush up on my history, but as for feisty...
That's just how I am. I know Libras are meant to be indecisive, but I'm the exception to the rule. I tend to believe in something completely, and seldom change my mind or an opinion unless I'm proven wrong. When I am, I'll hold my hands up to it, but unless I am proven wrong, I prefer to be 100% behind my beliefs, even if they are ultimately misguided.
Spike

[Edited on Dec 23, 2003 by Spike]

A dirty bum? Give me a funky lil' hole to call my own and 700K company any time!

$$$

yeah and they say he had drugs too.

Souljacker said:

"A great man once said that those who do not know the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. A working knowledge of 20th Century history often comes in handy, especially in the arena of political debate. You may want to brush up and stop being so feisty."



You guys got to be kidding me this site has some of the toughest debate I have ever seen, if one didn't know any better one would think it was a board for history professors.

How odd.

Carry on.

Really?
Do you not have 100% comitment to your beliefs, or do you question and doubt everything you know?
I like to question and expand my horizons, but unless I'm given reason to think otherwise, I like to stand by my convictions.
Not a particularly Libran trait, but as I said before, I'm the exception to the rule, and hate indecisiveness. The only way not to be indecisive is to believe completely in...what you believe. By all means allow new information to change those beliefs, but don't doubt what you believe. Self-doubt is for the weak.
Anyway, I'm done with this thread as it's gone off topic, and my beliefs aren't open for debate.
Spike

Calling China a dictatorship is not entirely accurate. Each citizen has the right to vote for the members of their local council, who then elect the members of their district or city councils, who then elect the next level, etc on up the chain. It's sort of like government by homeowner's association. It is a system ripe for corruption and gross manipulation... which is of course exactly what has happened.

Lybia hasn't been much of a threat (at least to my knowledge anyways) to anyone since they blew up his house during the Reagan administration. That scared him then, so why shouldn't this scare him now? In my personal, uneducated, and probably mistaken opinion: he isn't on the same page as most of the less stable, psychotic, radical fundamentalist leaders in the world. He kicked a sleeping dog (I mean "dog" in the symbolic sense, not in the derogatory sense) and it bit him. Most sane people will not do something they know will get them injured.

As far as the United Nations goes, I have little faith or respect for them. They are a prime example of bueracracy gone mad. For the United Nations to be effective, they have to do something. The debate has become more important than the purpose, and they seem to be unwilling to make an honest resolution for anything, because doing so would mean there is no longer a reason to debate it. It no longer serves the purpose it was designed to serve.

Governments like the one that used to exist in Iraq act without fear, because they didn't need to be afraid. Using religious dogma, no matter how perverted and twisted, they have created an inexaustable powerbase, built on the backs of brainwashed religious zealots with dreams of being immortalized as marytrs. They didn't need to fear, because nobody was shooting at them.

A little fear is not a bad thing. It's a survival instinct. Fear is what keeps human beings from jumping out in front of speeding busses. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I think this war was the right message to send (it's also a message that our country needs to understand as well). Nobody...and I mean nobody should be beyond reproach. The message that was sent was: nobody is.