April 15th Tea Party

wow, that's some spectacular logic. if you take your car to a bad mechanic, and that mechanic screws up your car, do you stop trying to get your car fixed? hey, maybe the car will fix itself! who cares if the transmission shakes itself to pieces--it should have taken better care of itself! it's not like your car needs a transmission, after all.

i did take the risk. i supported a government that encouraged the risk to be taken. therefore, i am complicit in the risk. nobody makes decisions in a vacuum, financial decisions especially. the whole point of the fucking Federal Reserve is to keep the economy on an even keel by influencing the economic decisions made by US citizens and corporations, via its control of interest rates and other mechanisms. you want to say the gubmint should keep its fingers out of the economy, fine--but right now, we have to deal with the fact that the gubmint did and does have its fingers in the economy, and has actively fucked things up. if you break something, you have a responsibility to fix it. my government broke things. it's my duty to help fix them.

Bush is a moron, a man of mediocre intellect that can barely put three sentences together without making an ass out of himself. He is a person who was constantly taking vacations, constantly making mistakes across the fucking board. I wouldn't trust him to use a microwave oven, let alone manage a country. He is self admittedly better off working at the ranch.

Bush stuck his hand in by deregulating things that clearly needed to be regulated. HIs cronies made massive windfalls because of his fantastic completely moronic meddling while the country overall has gone down the shitter.

Obama is not a moron. In fact he is a man of exceptional intelligence who has demonstrated through out his life that he works extremely hard. The mess is huge, but I expect that an exceptional person will do a better job of cleaning it up, than a person who behaves in a manner that makes me think they're concentrating really hard on trying not to drool.

Obama's administration is already proposing reinstituting regulations that prevented this clusterfuck from happening in the past. Obama's administration has already demonstrated rather dramatically that accepting bailout money means companies will be held accountable. Sure it isn't perfect but it isn't a fucking idiot at the reigns anymore.

Next?

How else does such a congenitally stupid man cope with reality?

He's blathering on above about how bad debts are simply an issue to be sorted out between lender and lendee, and anything else is the government interfering in private transactions to everyone's detriment, and he's completely failing to recognise or acknowledge that the previous administration's lax regulatory oversight has contributed to a situation in which bad debts start to affect everyone, becauser they get repackaged and shuffled around the financial system.

So, in effect, there isn't just a single lender and lendee anymore -- there's a whole house of cards built on bad debts that threaten us all when the bottom cards collapse.

How one deals with this situation can be legtimately debated, but to not even acknowledge that the situation exists is, again, mindfuckingly dumb.

I'm amazed this "lowly computer engineer" even learned to spell "DOS".

You just said you opposed the actions that lead to the country's fuck ups, how does that translate as taking a risk?

As far as the goverment fixing things, the easiest way to do that is to stop interfering all together. This whole bailout thing is just prolonging the same behaviour that led to the crisis to begin with. Just look at the whole AIG Bonus debacle!

And let me ask you this important question, if you believe that it's you're duty to fix things everytime the goverment fucks up, what's to stop the goverment from saying "Oh don't worry about how crazy/expensive/wasteful/stupid it is, we'll just call in motorfirebox (and friends) to clean up the mess!" ?

Still waiting on a definition of "Anti-Liberationist".

man, if only i'd answered that in the first sentence of the post you just quoted. unfortunately, no such sentence exists, so we'll all have to wonder what i meant for the rest of our lives.

no, it's not. you'll never understand why as long as you continue to take the simpleminded view that the economy is just one party buying and selling to/from another. it's far more complex than that, and the solutions required to allow all of us--not just those of us who've made bad financial decisions--to continue enjoying a high standard of living are equally complex.

yeah, you're absolutely right. us poor citizens have absolutely no control over our government! it rules over us without giving us any voice at all!

OK, fourth grade civics refresher. Taxes are the bills you pay for the services you receive. They are payment of a debt and sorry but you don't get a line item veto.

You seem to want to live in a fantasy world where you only pay a tiny portion of the cost of services you receive, and none of the costs of things you don't like. Perhaps we should wait for your approval to build the street to take you to the also unbuilt hospital when you need medical care.

But if only the government would stop interfering, the private sector would build all the roads and streets and hospitals! Didn't you know that?

Of course. If the Republican administrations since 1980 have taught us anything, it's that trickle down economics work, because the richest people in the country can obviously be trusted to take care of things.

/sarcasm.

Sorry, let me rephrase that. You said you opposed the actions that lead to the fuck ups, and I don't understand how that counts as supporting the government, and in turn, how you accepted any kind of risk.

No doubt the economy is complex in the same way that an ecosystem or a human body is complex, and you wouldn't want a politicion decreeing that from now on, only x percentage of Zebras will be eating by Tigers, or that from now on, the blood in your circulatory system is going to flow the other way.

Well then, I'm sure George W. Bush was more than happy for your input on invading Iraq. You have a voice, it's just that politicians typically don't feel they have to listen (if you don't believe me, just recall Obama's response to the Marijuana question during his Cyber-Town Hall).

Also let me pre-empt the suggestion that I'm anti-democratic by saying that in a Democracy at least, the politicians have to listen to you at SOME point.

Ok, it's late and I'm tired, so I might not respond 'till tommorrow. G'night everyone!

Oh sweet Jesus.

Do you know anything about what ecologists do?

Anything?

Evidently they talk to Tigers.....duh!

And give them Zebra Quotas.

The greatest legacy of George Bush Jr's eight years in office -- He Empowered the Fucktards!

Good going, George.