Prop 8 tries to disolve marriges...

To anybody who actually believes the drivel though, Massachusetts was already going to hell. You cannot combat willful ignorance with logic.

That is exactly what someone under gay mind control would say.

And have any churches in Massachusetts been forced to marry gay people against their will?

I'll answer that question for you: No. And do you want to know why? Because it's Constitutionally impermissible for that to happen. The First Amendment categorically prohibits it.

This is an obvious point that never gets addressed by those who support anti-gay marriage laws. Yet, they still trot out the "it'll infringe our religious liberties" line. It's just code for "I don't like queers."

All those things randomly occurring in MA are due to the Pats not making the playoffs.

Any idea what the financial impacts are/have been because of gay marriage? Companies that offer benefits to spouses will now have the additional "burden" of gay spouses. I'm pretty sure it's insignificant, but it is an argument used against gay marriage.

Even if we didn't have the precedent of Massachusetts, it's easy to see that no church would be forced to perform a wedding. Ministers (or judges, or anyone else that can wed people) refuse to perform weddings all the time for any number of reasons. No one has ever had any legal recourse for that.

I'd also like to add that since the inception of gay marriage into my state, our sports teams have been pretty fuckin' awesome. Coincidence? I think not.

(sorry California, we'd hoped that by sending you Manny it might sway things. Our bad....you can still keep him though)

Churches refuse marriages all the time and are still fine.

My ex-wife was Pentecostal and at the time i was still non-practicing Catholic, neither church would marry us because neither of us would switch to either religion. We finally went to her Uncle's Church, which he was pastor of, on the east side of Cleveland and we had to talk him into to doing it, mostly because i said i still wouldn't be a practicing Catholic nor Pentecostal after the marriage.

When i was engaged for the second time, and we were planning the wedding, no church would marry an Atheist to a Catholic. We couldn't find one. They all wanted me to give up Atheism and move to Catholicism. Which I had absolutely no desire to do.

The funny thing too, the Catholic church we talked to, told me that i had to have my first marriage annulled by the Catholic Church seeing as i was divorced, which didn't make sense, because technically they didn't recognize my marriage because they didn't bless it and i was married in a Pentecostal Church.

I asked why I had to annul it, if in their eyes it never existed and the Priest babbled something about questioning faith at me. Then i found out that there were annulment fees, at that point it made sense, it was all about the cash.

So the whole line of Churches can't deny marriages and still get government exempt statuses is bullshit, they do it every day and still maintain their statuses.

The pathetic, meaningless, all-purpose fallback used by the ignorant and clueless worldwide.

Seriously, that not voting thing? Keep it up.

Anyway, it's cold in here. I'm going to go put some ice on my feet.

Yup, exactly. And your particular case is especially relevant, because the logic behind the BS argument is that sexuality is one of the protected things in this nation - religion, race, gender, age, sexuality, etc. In your case, though, it was for purely religious reasons that they denied to perform the marriage, and that has the exact same protections as sexuality. More, even.

I had a retired atheist judge offer to perform a marriage ceremony for me.