Ecstasy Retraction

Interesting, I remember the original Science article, but I guess I missed the retraction.

Okay, well the URL button isn't working at the moment, so here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/02/science/02ECST.html

[Edited on Dec 02, 2003 by Minty]

somehow i don't feel any less stupid.


i actually used to get some ish that was synthesized for those trials at hopkins. no wonder it got me so fucked up.

Has the RAVE act been passed yet?
I can't find it on thomas.
It's S.2633 in the senate, and I don't think it has even reached the house yet.
Never mind... reached the house and is being run through committees.

[Edited on Dec 02, 2003 by kel]

[Edited on Dec 02, 2003 by kel]

Don't you just love politics, ecstasy and missing kids go perfect together

i guess they didn't learn after the first time they used "mislabeled vials". they should all lose their DEA licenses.

the irony of their conclusions is thick, the us government has been giving our soldiers meth and have continued to do so since world war II.

Holy shit. I did not know that.

The MDMA study was retracted, so its findings are no longer relevant. And while I certainly can't claim that I'm a stranger to X, I've worked with a behaviorist who was giving it to mice, and even after a single dose they were very different behaviorally for the rest of their lives. That was a little bit sobering to see, I'm not convinced that it's as harmless as a lot of people say it is.

ya I'm a fan of X but it definetly isn't harmless I refuse to take it more than once in a year and it still makes me nervous sometimes. better research than doc r's has found that after just several doses of exctasy there are detectable differences in an MRI scan but in those cases they can't find behavioral differences.

[Edited on Dec 03, 2003 by mathmaddicts]

Because it's so manufactured, is there really anyway of knowing what's in your X?

what dosage? If you took a gram of X, I'd be amazed if that didn't change you forever (if you survived), that wouldn't however, imply that a normal 80 mg hit was harmful or dangerous.

[Edited on Dec 04, 2003 by Helter]

There was a big to-do where I work when one of Ricaurte's major critics gave a talk about the retraction and policy, back in early November. What I'm really wondering is, who is running the institutional review board at Hopkins? This isn't the first time major research coming out of there has been discredited in the recent past.

Good different or bad different? I've heard it can be quite an eye-opener.

ethanol vs. mdma

just out of curiosity, do you feel that getting really drunk one time would change you forever?

Unless you died, probably not. So?

Yeah, I remember that foolishness, although the number tended to vary depending on who was telling the story. I've heard 7, 10, 30 and probably others as well. Of course, no one ever defined what "crazy" means either.

Sounds like a slightly updated version of "reefer madness."

Many of the powerful mind benders can mess you up pretty bad. I know quite a few people who got institutionalized thanks to waaaaaaaay too much LSD. I don't too much mess with shit that has a reputation for cracking your marbles anymore. I don't have too many marbles left.

I not only think they should fight to get that shit heap repealed, but the people who snuck it in should answer for it. It was put down to begin with, and so they packaged it with an unrelated bill that everyone wanted to see happen. I thought they were supposed to represent us...what the fuck was I thinking?

Dishonesty is a given with the government, but this was a brazen violation of what little (if any) trust taxpayers actually have in politicians.

(Edited because I used waaaaaaaay too much LSD when I was younger)

[Edited on Dec 05, 2003 by Dante0]

all this just shows me that drugs are too much a hot-button issue for even certain scientists - who are by their very profession sworn to uphold objectivity - to study and assess fairly. for starters, i know my roommate tells me that before she did her first x, she used to have blinding migrane headaches. they actually disappeared after she took it. she's not certain how this happened - even with an undergraduate background in neuroscience.

on the other hand, we all know our fair share of e casualties as well (and keep in mind that what a lot of people are taking may be something like eve or MDEA or even speed, and is rarely pure.). we're kept from understanding the true virtues and drawbacks to it due to idealogues like ricaurte and our own cultural immaturity regarding altered states of consciousness. but perhaps this shows that things are slowly changing, and people like m.a.p.s. and the heffter institute can more easily set the record straight with less jaundiced research on the subject.

as for determining the purity of individual e-pills, i would highly recommend hitting up dancesafe.org, who i feel provide an invaluable service of harm reduction. but it goes without saying that with any drug you take, your mileage may vary, pure or not.

[Edited on Dec 05, 2003 by impboy]

[Edited on Dec 05, 2003 by impboy]