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NOV 30, 2008 05:08 PM
This is definitely the most detailed account I've read so far.
A native of Faridkot in Pakistan- occupied Kashmir, Azam revealed the names of his fellow terrorists, all Pakistani citizens: Abu Ali, Fahad, Omar, Shoaib, Umer, Abu Akasha, Ismail, Abdul Rahman (Bara) and Abdul Rahman (Chhota).
But the 10 men were apparently not the only ones directly involved: Another group, he claimed, had checked themselves into hotels four days before, waiting with weapons and ammunition they had stockpiled in the rooms.
The 10 men in Azam’s group were chosen well: All were trained in marine warfare and had undergone a special course conducted by the Lashkar-e-Taiba. Preparations were also detailed, and started early.
Azam and eight others in the team made a reconnaissance trip to Mumbai several months before the attacks, pretending to be Malaysian students. They rented an apartment at Colaba market, near one of their targets, the Nariman House.
The chief planner of the attacks also visited Mumbai a month before to take photographs and film strategic locations, including the hotel layouts.
Returning to Pakistan, the chief plotter trained the group, telling them to ‘kill till the last breath’.
Surprisingly, the men did not expect themselves to be suicide terrorists. Azam said they had originally planned to sail back on Thursday - the recruiters had even charted out a return route, stored on a GPS device.
On the evening of Nov 21, Azam’s group set off from an isolated creek in Karachi in a boat. The next day, a large Pakistani vessel with four Pakistanis and crew picked them up, whereupon the group was issued arms and ammunition.
Each man in the assault team was handed six to seven magazines of 50 bullets each, eight hand grenades, one AK-47 assault rifle, an automatic loading revolver, credit cards and a supply of dried fruit. They were, as some media put it, in for the long haul.
A day later, the team came across an Indian-owned trawler, Kuber, which they boarded. They killed four of the fishermen onboard, dumped their bodies into the sea, and forced its skipper Amarjit Singh to sail for India.
The next day, they beheaded the skipper, and one of the gunmen, a trained sailor, took the wheel and headed for the shores of Gujarat, India.
Near Gujarat, the terrorists raised a white flag as two officers of the coast guard approached. While the officers questioned them, one of the terrorists grappled with one of them, slit his throat and threw his body into the boat. The group then ordered the other officer to help them get to Mumbai.
On Nov 26, the team reached the Mumbai coast.
Four nautical miles out, they were met by three inflatable speedboats. They killed the other coast guard officer, transferred into the speedboats and proceeded to Colaba jetty as dusk settled. The Kuber was found later with the body of the 30-year-old captain onboard.
At Badhwar Park in Cuffe Parade - just three blocks away from Nariman House - the 10 men got off, stripped off the orange windbreakers they had been wearing and made sure to take out their large, heavy backpacks.
It was there that they were spotted by fisherman Prasan Dhanur, who was preparing his boat, and harbour official Kashinath Patil, 72, who was on duty nearby.
“Where are you going?” Patil asked them. “What’s in your bags?”
The men replied: “We don’t want any attention. Don’t bother us.”
Thinking little of it, Dhanur and Patil, who said they did not see the guns hidden in the backpacks, did not call the police, and watched the 10 young men walk away.
Then the carnage started.
On hitting the ground, the 10 men broke up. Four men headed for the Taj Mahal Hotel, two for The Oberoi Trident, two for Nariman House and two - Azam and Ismail - for the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus by taxi.
At the railway station, Azam and his colleague opened fire, targeting Caucasian tourists while trying to spare Muslims.
The two gunmen also destroyed the CCTV control room, throwing grenades into it.
It was here that Azam was photographed, dressed in light-grey combat trousers and sneakers, a rucksack on his back, toting his AK-47. According to one security expert, the way he carried the assault rifle revealed months of training.
The two men left the main hall of the railway station littered with bodies and pools of blood, then moved on to Metro Cinema and then to the Girgaum Chowpatty area in a stolen Skoda. It was there that their plans started to unravel.
At the Girgaum Chowpatty area, Azam and Ismail were intercepted by anti-terror troops from the Gamdevi police station, and they ended up trading shots. Azam managed to shoot dead assistant police inspector Tukaram Umbale, while one of them also gunned down anti-terror squad chief Hemant Karkare.
Ismail, however, was eventually killed, while Azam himself was shot in the hand. Pretending to be dead, he fell, and the two men were taken to Nair Hospital. But police soon spotted him breathing and quickly evacuated the hospital’s casualty ward, and brought in the anti-terror squad to interrogate him.
At first, Azam remained tight-lipped, but the sight of Ismail’s mutilated body broke his resolve. Pleading with medical staff to save his life, he said: “I do not want to die. Please put me on saline.”
The bullet in his hand was removed, and after his condition had stabilised, Azam was moved to another location on Thursday for more interrogation. Reports, however, say that the grilling at the hospital had been so intense that at one point, he pleaded with the police and medical staff to kill him. He said: “Now, I don’t want to live.

X_Racer_X
Philadelphia, PA
July 2008
NOV 30, 2008 05:13 PM
Uncognitive said:
X_Racer_X said:
Sorry but all your apologist horseshit hasn't stopped anything. Anyone who actually posts anything that's not exactly to the left of Trotsky on the CE boards gets castigated. The self aggrandizing pseudo intelligencia that appropriate this board keep moving the goal posts.
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain !
Ironically, your internet tough guy "let's give the government the power to legally disappear and brutally torture anyone it deems to be a 'terrorist' since that's what us real men do" apologist bullshit has been remarkably successful at stopping terrorist attacks.
Except, you know, that it hasn't.
Really? It hasn't.
I'm internet tough guy?
Far from it. I mean if actually being able to bench press my own body weight makes me a tough guy ..um, ok. perhaps if YOU were the tough guy you should have thrown me off the roof of the Bushwick Country Club when you had the chance instead of letting me make out with the girl you were with.
FAIL. AGAIN.

X_Racer_X
Philadelphia, PA
July 2008
NOV 30, 2008 05:14 PM
motorfirebox said:
X_Racer_X said:
You say potato, I say potatoe.
i'm glad we can agree that you're wrong, then. i especially like the part where you haven't even looked at any of the arguments presented against your position. way to be a thinker!
Basically we agree that you are a self aggrandizing vache.
NOV 30, 2008 05:23 PM
X_Racer_X said:
motorfirebox said:
X_Racer_X said:
You say potato, I say potatoe.
i'm glad we can agree that you're wrong, then. i especially like the part where you haven't even looked at any of the arguments presented against your position. way to be a thinker!
Basically we agree that you are a self aggrandizing vache.
you're certainly welcome to your opinion. since you refuse to read or respond to anyone's points, though, the value of your opinion in open debate is fairly sharply limited.
Wendy said:
This is definitely the most detailed account I've read so far.
But the 10 men were apparently not the only ones directly involved: Another group, he claimed, had checked themselves into hotels four days before, waiting with weapons and ammunition they had stockpiled in the rooms.
The 10 men in Azam%u2019s group were chosen well: All were trained in marine warfare and had undergone a special course conducted by the Lashkar-e-Taiba. Preparations were also detailed, and started early.
Azam and eight others in the team made a reconnaissance trip to Mumbai several months before the attacks, pretending to be Malaysian students. They rented an apartment at Colaba market, near one of their targets, the Nariman House.
The chief planner of the attacks also visited Mumbai a month before to take photographs and film strategic locations, including the hotel layouts.
Returning to Pakistan, the chief plotter trained the group, telling them to %u2018kill till the last breath%u2019.
Surprisingly, the men did not expect themselves to be suicide terrorists. Azam said they had originally planned to sail back on Thursday - the recruiters had even charted out a return route, stored on a GPS device.
On the evening of Nov 21, Azam%u2019s group set off from an isolated creek in Karachi in a boat. The next day, a large Pakistani vessel with four Pakistanis and crew picked them up, whereupon the group was issued arms and ammunition.
Each man in the assault team was handed six to seven magazines of 50 bullets each, eight hand grenades, one AK-47 assault rifle, an automatic loading revolver, credit cards and a supply of dried fruit. They were, as some media put it, in for the long haul.
A day later, the team came across an Indian-owned trawler, Kuber, which they boarded. They killed four of the fishermen onboard, dumped their bodies into the sea, and forced its skipper Amarjit Singh to sail for India.
The next day, they beheaded the skipper, and one of the gunmen, a trained sailor, took the wheel and headed for the shores of Gujarat, India.
Near Gujarat, the terrorists raised a white flag as two officers of the coast guard approached. While the officers questioned them, one of the terrorists grappled with one of them, slit his throat and threw his body into the boat. The group then ordered the other officer to help them get to Mumbai.
On Nov 26, the team reached the Mumbai coast.
Four nautical miles out, they were met by three inflatable speedboats. They killed the other coast guard officer, transferred into the speedboats and proceeded to Colaba jetty as dusk settled. The Kuber was found later with the body of the 30-year-old captain onboard.
At Badhwar Park in Cuffe Parade - just three blocks away from Nariman House - the 10 men got off, stripped off the orange windbreakers they had been wearing and made sure to take out their large, heavy backpacks.
It was there that they were spotted by fisherman Prasan Dhanur, who was preparing his boat, and harbour official Kashinath Patil, 72, who was on duty nearby.
%u201CWhere are you going?%u201D Patil asked them. %u201CWhat%u2019s in your bags?%u201D
The men replied: %u201CWe don%u2019t want any attention. Don%u2019t bother us.%u201D
Thinking little of it, Dhanur and Patil, who said they did not see the guns hidden in the backpacks, did not call the police, and watched the 10 young men walk away.
Then the carnage started.
On hitting the ground, the 10 men broke up. Four men headed for the Taj Mahal Hotel, two for The Oberoi Trident, two for Nariman House and two - Azam and Ismail - for the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus by taxi.
At the railway station, Azam and his colleague opened fire, targeting Caucasian tourists while trying to spare Muslims.
The two gunmen also destroyed the CCTV control room, throwing grenades into it.
It was here that Azam was photographed, dressed in light-grey combat trousers and sneakers, a rucksack on his back, toting his AK-47. According to one security expert, the way he carried the assault rifle revealed months of training.
The two men left the main hall of the railway station littered with bodies and pools of blood, then moved on to Metro Cinema and then to the Girgaum Chowpatty area in a stolen Skoda. It was there that their plans started to unravel.
At the Girgaum Chowpatty area, Azam and Ismail were intercepted by anti-terror troops from the Gamdevi police station, and they ended up trading shots. Azam managed to shoot dead assistant police inspector Tukaram Umbale, while one of them also gunned down anti-terror squad chief Hemant Karkare.
Ismail, however, was eventually killed, while Azam himself was shot in the hand. Pretending to be dead, he fell, and the two men were taken to Nair Hospital. But police soon spotted him breathing and quickly evacuated the hospital%u2019s casualty ward, and brought in the anti-terror squad to interrogate him.
At first, Azam remained tight-lipped, but the sight of Ismail%u2019s mutilated body broke his resolve. Pleading with medical staff to save his life, he said: %u201CI do not want to die. Please put me on saline.%u201D
The bullet in his hand was removed, and after his condition had stabilised, Azam was moved to another location on Thursday for more interrogation. Reports, however, say that the grilling at the hospital had been so intense that at one point, he pleaded with the police and medical staff to kill him. He said: %u201CNow, I don%u2019t want to live.
wow, thanks for the link. interesting read.
i find it somewhat reassuring that the shooters had an escape route planned. i don't think their leadership actually cared whether or not the shooters escaped (in fact, i think their leadership expected this result), but it's good to know that they're not yet able to easily round up a bunch of well-trained, well-armed, completely suicidal shooters. highly-motivated, yes; ready to die, but at least not intending to die.

X_Racer_X
Philadelphia, PA
July 2008
NOV 30, 2008 05:32 PM
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwaanza.
NOV 30, 2008 05:34 PM
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwanza.
I haven't understood a single thing of whatever you think your argument is over the course of this thread.
So I'm totally clueless as to what all this bravado is about.
Just sayin'.

X_Racer_X
Philadelphia, PA
July 2008
NOV 30, 2008 05:35 PM
goodnite on this. take it to my journal if you must. ![]()

X_Racer_X
Philadelphia, PA
July 2008
NOV 30, 2008 05:35 PM
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwanza.
I haven't understood a single thing of whatever you think your argument is over the course of this thread.
So I'm totally clueless as to what all this bravado is about.
Just sayin'.
Fine. ![]()
NOV 30, 2008 05:35 PM
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwaanza.
die.
NOV 30, 2008 05:37 PM
X_Racer_X said:
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwanza.
I haven't understood a single thing of whatever you think your argument is over the course of this thread.
So I'm totally clueless as to what all this bravado is about.
Just sayin'.
Fine. ![]()
So ...it's meaningless, right? It's just you stomping your feet and beating your chest without any particular significance?
*shrugs* OK. Whatever.

X_Racer_X
Philadelphia, PA
July 2008
NOV 30, 2008 05:39 PM
motorfirebox said:
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwaanza.
die.
i'm working on it.

X_Racer_X
Philadelphia, PA
July 2008
NOV 30, 2008 05:41 PM
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwanza.
I haven't understood a single thing of whatever you think your argument is over the course of this thread.
So I'm totally clueless as to what all this bravado is about.
Just sayin'.
Fine. ![]()
So ...it's meaningless, right? It's just you stomping your feet and beating your chest without any particular significance?
*shrugs* OK. Whatever.
oh hush you silly man.
NOV 30, 2008 05:44 PM
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwanza.
I haven't understood a single thing of whatever you think your argument is over the course of this thread.
So I'm totally clueless as to what all this bravado is about.
Just sayin'.
Fine. ![]()
So ...it's meaningless, right? It's just you stomping your feet and beating your chest without any particular significance?
*shrugs* OK. Whatever.
he seems more intent on insults based on geography. no actual policy discussion than fighting the symptom. pure internet tough guy.
NOV 30, 2008 05:59 PM
attn_Hussein_ho said:
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
TheFuckOffKid said:
X_Racer_X said:
And those things in your face are called trees...the rest of it is called the forest. ![]()
Your heart is in a good place. Your head however ....
Happy kwanza.
I haven't understood a single thing of whatever you think your argument is over the course of this thread.
So I'm totally clueless as to what all this bravado is about.
Just sayin'.
Fine. ![]()
So ...it's meaningless, right? It's just you stomping your feet and beating your chest without any particular significance?
*shrugs* OK. Whatever.
he seems more intent on insults based on geography. no actual policy discussion than fighting the symptom. pure internet tough guy.
I'm totally baffled. Utterly. I've got no clue as to what his point was, or even if he had one.
Anyway, thanks for the linked story, Wendy. Back on topic.
NOV 30, 2008 06:00 PM
ugh. i just now noticed it has those crazy symbol things in it. i have no idea why that happens.
NOV 30, 2008 06:02 PM
Wendy said:
ugh. i just now noticed it has those crazy symbol things in it. i have no idea why that happens.
M$ code of some sort. I think the people coding the page used Word or Front Page, and it inserts those symbols, to substitute for proper single and double quotes..
NOV 30, 2008 06:03 PM
Wendy said:
ugh. i just now noticed it has those crazy symbol things in it. i have no idea why that happens.
when you copy and paste text from one format to another on the net, sometimes the apostraphes and commas are "unreadable" by the host font. it makes a weird symbol in the apostraphe's place.
NOV 30, 2008 08:45 PM
Rappaccini said:
Wendy said:
ugh. i just now noticed it has those crazy symbol things in it. i have no idea why that happens.
M$ code of some sort. I think the people coding the page used Word or Front Page, and it inserts those symbols, to substitute for proper single and double quotes..
WEB DESIGN NERD RAGE!
In my first real design job, I had to deal with preexisting file structures that were created in MS word then converted to a "web" format.
Totally unreadable and incomprehensible shit. I had to go through and rebuild every damn file.
DEC 01, 2008 03:19 AM
fountainofdreams said:
Rappaccini said:
Wendy said:
ugh. i just now noticed it has those crazy symbol things in it. i have no idea why that happens.
M$ code of some sort. I think the people coding the page used Word or Front Page, and it inserts those symbols, to substitute for proper single and double quotes..
WEB DESIGN NERD RAGE!
In my first real design job, I had to deal with preexisting file structures that were created in MS word then converted to a "web" format.
Totally unreadable and incomprehensible shit. I had to go through and rebuild every damn file.
Is this common? I feel like this has only been happening on the site for a short period of time. At least I've only noticed it recently. I hope it's something that can be fixed!
DEC 01, 2008 06:54 AM
X_Racer_X said:
Uncognitive said:
X_Racer_X said:
Sorry but all your apologist horseshit hasn't stopped anything. Anyone who actually posts anything that's not exactly to the left of Trotsky on the CE boards gets castigated. The self aggrandizing pseudo intelligencia that appropriate this board keep moving the goal posts.
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain !
Ironically, your internet tough guy "let's give the government the power to legally disappear and brutally torture anyone it deems to be a 'terrorist' since that's what us real men do" apologist bullshit has been remarkably successful at stopping terrorist attacks.
Except, you know, that it hasn't.
Really? It hasn't.
I'm internet tough guy?
Far from it. I mean if actually being able to bench press my own body weight makes me a tough guy ..um, ok. perhaps if YOU were the tough guy you should have thrown me off the roof of the Bushwick Country Club when you had the chance instead of letting me make out with the girl you were with.
FAIL. AGAIN.
What the fuck are you talking about?
DEC 01, 2008 08:36 AM
Wendy said:
fountainofdreams said:
Rappaccini said:
Wendy said:
ugh. i just now noticed it has those crazy symbol things in it. i have no idea why that happens.
M$ code of some sort. I think the people coding the page used Word or Front Page, and it inserts those symbols, to substitute for proper single and double quotes..
WEB DESIGN NERD RAGE!
In my first real design job, I had to deal with preexisting file structures that were created in MS word then converted to a "web" format.
Totally unreadable and incomprehensible shit. I had to go through and rebuild every damn file.
Is this common? I feel like this has only been happening on the site for a short period of time. At least I've only noticed it recently. I hope it's something that can be fixed!
I agree. I'm going to post it in the Bugs thread. I've noticed it for at least six months, when I copy-paste stuff from MSWord into SG. REALLY. ANNOYING.
DEC 01, 2008 08:37 AM
Hey, everyone. Just put Racer on ignore we can all live happier, more efficient lives on the Boards. I was actually interested in the on-topic discussion.
DEC 01, 2008 10:07 AM
Oh for fuck's sake. I leave you guys alone for a weekend and everyone suddenly decides there are no rules here and neither of the fucking sticky topics exist?!
Grow the fuck up. All of you.
Pathetic.









Wendy
SUICIDEGIRL
Israel
NOV 30, 2008 04:13 PM