(CNN) _ A grand jury in south Texas indicted Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on separate charges related to alleged prisoner abuse in federal detention centers, Willacy County District Attorney Juan Angel Guerra told CNN Tuesday.

Texas grand Jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales

wonder if anything will actually come of it...

Coyotemike

USA

May 2006

NOV 18, 2008 08:40 PM

Time for Bushy to get out the ole pardonpen

wenis

San Francisco, CA

July 2006

NOV 18, 2008 08:52 PM

Coyotemike said:
Time for Bushy to get out the ole pardonpen

I heard when you turn it upside down the prison bars fall away from the prisoner.

petepolly

Antarctica

August 2008

NOV 18, 2008 08:54 PM

strangekitty said:

Texas grand Jury indicts Cheney, Gonzales

wonder if anything will actually come of it...

I doubt it, but one can hope. on the other hand look what happen after New Orleans DA Jim Garrison indicted someone in the JFK case, their was a trial, but the jury found the man innocent, and it was seen by some as a publicity stunt by Garrison.

reference

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

NOV 18, 2008 09:07 PM

petepolly said:

strangekitty said:

(CNN) _ A grand jury in south Texas indicted Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on separate charges r

wonder if anything will actually come of it...

Which is why a grand jury was used, instead of a DA doing the indicting.

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON

May 2005

NOV 19, 2008 01:05 AM

Stiles said:

petepolly said:

strangekitty said:

(CNN) _ A grand jury in south Texas indicted Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on separate charges r

wonder if anything will actually come of it...

Which is why a grand jury was used, instead of a DA doing the indicting.

It's a publicity stunt by a bunch of randomly selected citizens?

ricos

USA

December 2006

NOV 19, 2008 02:47 AM

wenis said:

Coyotemike said:
Time for Bushy to get out the ole pardonpen

I heard when you turn it upside down the prison bars fall away from the prisoner.

that's some funny shit

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

NOV 19, 2008 06:19 AM

Bill_the_Cat said:

It's a publicity stunt by a bunch of randomly selected citizens?

:facepalm:

Grand juries are typically convened in sensitive cases where the DA would otherwise be susceptible to charges of running a politically or personally motivated prosecution.

Darke

Columbia, MO

June 2005

NOV 19, 2008 06:23 AM

YES! this is awesome. Maybe just a show, but it'd be nice if it were a sign of things to come.

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON

May 2005

NOV 19, 2008 07:17 AM

Stiles said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

It's a publicity stunt by a bunch of randomly selected citizens?

:facepalm:

Grand juries are typically convened in sensitive cases where the DA would otherwise be susceptible to charges of running a politically or personally motivated prosecution.

Yes. That being why the joke was funny.

formerviking

Denver, PA

May 2006

NOV 19, 2008 07:20 AM

( Singing ) To dream , the impossible dream .....
As much as I'd love to see pretty much this whole regime up on charges , I can't see much coming from any of this .

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

NOV 19, 2008 07:22 AM

Bill_the_Cat said:

Stiles said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

It's a publicity stunt by a bunch of randomly selected citizens?

:facepalm:

Grand juries are typically convened in sensitive cases where the DA would otherwise be susceptible to charges of running a politically or personally motivated prosecution.

Yes. That being why the joke was funny.

That was a joke?

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA

July 2004

NOV 19, 2008 07:54 AM

Stiles said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

It's a publicity stunt by a bunch of randomly selected citizens?

:facepalm:

Grand juries are typically convened in sensitive cases where the DA would otherwise be susceptible to charges of running a politically or personally motivated prosecution.

In some jurisdictions, grand jury indictments are the only way to go. I don't know if Texas is one of them, though.

n8tvegrl

Bend, OR

February 2004

NOV 19, 2008 08:15 AM

Coyotemike said:
Time for Bushy to get out the ole pardonpen

No doubt... Cheney can shoot people in the face and get away with it so this should be no problem.

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON

May 2005

NOV 19, 2008 08:17 AM

Stiles said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

Stiles said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

It's a publicity stunt by a bunch of randomly selected citizens?

:facepalm:

Grand juries are typically convened in sensitive cases where the DA would otherwise be susceptible to charges of running a politically or personally motivated prosecution.

Yes. That being why the joke was funny.

That was a joke?

Yes.

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

NOV 19, 2008 08:21 AM

The OP's link is no longer working, so here's one from Reuters.

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA

June 2007

NOV 19, 2008 04:38 PM

Can Bush pardon them if they are just indicted? If so, wouldn't it have been better if they had been indicted after the inaugural?

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA

March 2004

NOV 19, 2008 04:53 PM

i'm not sure, don't they have to be convicted in order to qualify for a pardon of any kind?

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA

June 2007

NOV 19, 2008 04:55 PM

motorfirebox said:
i'm not sure, don't they have to be convicted in order to qualify for a pardon of any kind?

Preemptive pardon?

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

NOV 19, 2008 05:00 PM

motorfirebox said:
i'm not sure, don't they have to be convicted in order to qualify for a pardon of any kind?

Nope, Ford pardoning Nixon before he was even officially charged was a fairly famous example of a pre-emptive pardon.

A presidential pardon may be granted at any time, however, and as when Ford pardoned Nixon, the pardoned person need not yet have been convicted or even formally charged with a crime. Clemency may also be granted without the filing of a formal request and even if the intended recipient has no desire to be pardoned.

wikipedia

Stiles

Oakland, CA

November 2002

NOV 19, 2008 05:02 PM

double double

Tiger_Fodder

Braintree, MA

June 2007

NOV 19, 2008 05:07 PM

I guess the whole crooked administration can be pardoned then. Can he pardoned himself? How about Barbara Bush?

DhD_No_Pants

Katy, TX

May 2006

NOV 20, 2008 12:50 PM

I wish I actually thought something would come of this. But hey, it can't hurt to try, can it?

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ

October 2006

NOV 20, 2008 01:08 PM

"I pardon myself for three convictions of every individual crime. Motherfuckers better watch out."

Ferretbite

Mexico

September 2006

NOV 20, 2008 02:00 PM

Coyotemike said:
Time for Bushy to get out the ole pardonpen

They should make him choose between them and the Thanksgiving turkeys.

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