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Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JAN 04, 2009 08:33 PM

AaronB said:

malkav11 said:
I think there was another thread more recently active about this particular race, but I can't find it offhand.

There are still some formalities to go through, but Franken's ahead by 225 or so at this point and there doesn't look to be any reasonable way Coleman could make that lead back. I.e., Franken hasn't won yet but it's pretty much in the bag.



Hey you may have been paying more attention, is there any proof of this so-called double counting the Republicans are throwing a shit fit about? Or are they grasping at straws?



The double-counting challenge that they threw up to the Minny Supes was thrown out specifically because they had no proof.

That doesn't mean it won't be an issue once the post-certification challenge is heard, but for now there's nothing there.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 04, 2009 08:45 PM

Nate Silver pointed out that even if every single vote for Franken that was supposedly double-counted were to be thrown out, and if there were no such votes for Coleman, Franken would still win.

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

JAN 05, 2009 05:15 AM

Looks like they're planning to announce it today.

Coleman will challenge it, of course. So much for taking the ethical high ground. I guess only his opponents are supposed to concede elections for the benefit of the state and its people.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

JAN 05, 2009 08:41 AM

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As said before, it's in the bag.

EDIT

Well, that's a nice new bug. I'll leave it there for people to see, but I edited and used the URL insert option just to be sure that it's the board and not me.

Tritone

Tritone

Saint Paul, MN
May 2004

JAN 05, 2009 02:01 PM

Al Franken has been officially certified (by the election board). He should be addressing the media in a minute. It's on CNN.

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

JAN 06, 2009 08:57 PM

Then:
“The prospects of overcoming 725 votes is extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely remote."
“If you ask me what I would do, I would step back."
“My hope is that we would begin the healing process today.”

Now:
"Something greater than expediency is at stake here. Democracy is not a machine. Sometimes it's messy and inconvenient, and reaching the best conclusion is never quick because speed is not the first objective, fairness is."

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

JAN 06, 2009 09:21 PM

Sick said
Then:
“The prospects of overcoming 725 votes is extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely remote."
“If you ask me what I would do, I would step back."
“My hope is that we would begin the healing process today.”

Now:
"Something greater than expediency is at stake here. Democracy is not a machine. Sometimes it's messy and inconvenient, and reaching the best conclusion is never quick because speed is not the first objective, fairness is."


Well, he is a politician, after all. I'm pretty sure that now that Franken has the advantage, he wants Coleman to step back and let the healing began. wink

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JAN 06, 2009 11:00 PM

The Wall Street Journal is feeling pretty pandaesque, apparently.

Nate Silver destroys them. It's pretty impressive.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

JAN 06, 2009 11:06 PM

And one more zinger from 538:

Let's be frank: Norm Coleman doesn't have much of a future in electoral politics. Defeated Presidential candidates sometimes have nine lives, but defeated Senatorial candidates rarely do, and in his career running for statewide office, Coleman has lost to a professional wrestler, beaten a dead guy, and then tied a comedian.


Ouch.

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

JAN 07, 2009 05:08 AM

ckdexterhaven said:
Well, he is a politician, after all. I'm pretty sure that now that Franken has the advantage, he wants Coleman to step back and let the healing began. wink



I'm sure he is, but at least Franken isn't being quite as smug about it as Coleman was. And there's a difference in that the recount was legally mandated, and Franken had no legal right to waive it, which isn't the case with Coleman now.

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As for the Wall Street Journal editorial...ugh. The media is already running with it as though its wild claims are indisputable fact.

Otoki

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

JAN 07, 2009 09:53 AM

Subrosa said:
The Wall Street Journal is feeling pretty pandaesque, apparently.

Nate Silver destroys them. It's pretty impressive.



That paragraph-by-paragraph response was really fun to read.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JAN 07, 2009 05:20 PM

Subrosa said:
The Wall Street Journal is feeling pretty pandaesque, apparently.

Nate Silver destroys them. It's pretty impressive.


lies and slander, the WSJ article had nothing about how a free market could resolve this issue.

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