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suaveadonis

suaveadonis

USA
January 2007

OCT 26, 2008 06:48 AM

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

OCT 26, 2008 06:52 AM

Wee. smile

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

OCT 26, 2008 06:53 AM

Bwahahaha!

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

OCT 26, 2008 06:59 AM

is it just me, or is the link broken?

EDIT

I found the story you're talking about, but the link doesn't seem to work. Maybe this one will work

Quirky

Quirky

Birmingham, AL
October 2005

OCT 26, 2008 07:12 AM

Coyotemike said:
is it just me, or is the link broken?

EDIT

I found the story you're talking about, but the link doesn't seem to work. Maybe this one will work



It's just you. You provided the exact same link.

smokebombhill

smokebombhill

Providence, RI
January 2008

OCT 26, 2008 07:44 AM

Priceless! biggrin

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

OCT 26, 2008 08:03 AM

MisterInactive said:

Coyotemike said:
is it just me, or is the link broken?

EDIT

I found the story you're talking about, but the link doesn't seem to work. Maybe this one will work



It's just you. You provided the exact same link.



Yes, it's the exact same link. That was the point. I couldn't get his link to work, so I redid it and got it to work for me. It probably worked for everyone else, but in case it didn't I redid it.

Now, can we get back to the celebration?

OhSoOrdinary

OhSoOrdinary

New York, NY
July 2006

OCT 26, 2008 08:37 AM

Yeeeuh boooooii!

suaveadonis

suaveadonis

USA
January 2007

OCT 26, 2008 08:51 AM

That was weird it came up as the homepage for the paper instead of the article. Thanks for fixing it. I'm an idiot for not checking to see if it worked.

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Tacoma, WA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 26, 2008 11:10 AM

MisterInactive said:

Coyotemike said:
is it just me, or is the link broken?

EDIT

I found the story you're talking about, but the link doesn't seem to work. Maybe this one will work



It's just you. You provided the exact same link.



The OP put /// in the address instead of //

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

OCT 26, 2008 12:59 PM

Not just some lightweight, either.


With a circulation of about 71,711 daily and 89,423 Sundays, it is by far the most widely read newspaper in the state of Alaska.

UpTight

UpTight

I'm lost
December 2003

OCT 26, 2008 01:08 PM

Anyone leaving it this late to endorse Obama is a fucking coward. If they have left it this late it's just damn obvious they were waiting to see if Obama's polls held out before committing.

That also goes for General Colon Bowell, who could have backed Obysmal at any point but waited like a quivering blancmange until he thought it was safe to do so.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

OCT 26, 2008 01:11 PM

UpTight said:
Anyone leaving it this late to endorse Obama is a fucking coward. If they have left it this late it's just damn obvious they were waiting to see if Obama's polls held out before committing.

That also goes for General Colon Bowell, who could have backed Obysmal at any point but waited like a quivering blancmange until he thought it was safe to do so.



Jesus, you're pathetic.

skeptik

skeptik

New Orleans, LA
February 2004

OCT 26, 2008 01:19 PM

UpTight said:
Anyone leaving it this late to endorse Obama is a fucking coward. If they have left it this late it's just damn obvious they were waiting to see if Obama's polls held out before committing.

That also goes for General Colon Bowell, who could have backed Obysmal at any point but waited like a quivering blancmange until he thought it was safe to do so.



Or it could be that, as they indicated in their endorsement - and Powell did as well - a huge part of it was about the difference in the two candidates' response to recent events. Events that are important enough that it makes sense to reserve judgment until their responses were apparent. That is now the case, so the endorsement came now.

Or maybe someone who has repeatedly demonstrated that he doesn't understand the first fucking thing about American politics suddenly received a lifetime's worth of insight. Along with the third-grade insults.

Nah, I'll go with the first one.

dufsmash13

dufsmash13

USA
August 2007

OCT 26, 2008 02:02 PM

i'm so hap happy McHappy. smile

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

OCT 26, 2008 02:40 PM

UpTight said:
Anyone leaving it this late to endorse Obama is a fucking coward. If they have left it this late it's just damn obvious they were waiting to see if Obama's polls held out before committing.

That also goes for General Colon Bowell, who could have backed Obysmal at any point but waited like a quivering blancmange until he thought it was safe to do so.



Are you angling for an AM talk-radio position? "Colon Bowell?" I thought you liked his war, matey.

If you had actually listened to what the man said when he made his endorsement, it would make more sense to you. But once again, you seem to have done the skimming both in comprehension and analysis.

I won't say I disagree entirely that there were probably papers that wanted to make the endorsement but waited for polls. I suppose you could easily link to a graph or table showing some correlation to that effect?

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

OCT 26, 2008 02:51 PM

UpTight said:
Anyone leaving it this late to endorse Obama is a fucking coward. If they have left it this late it's just damn obvious they were waiting to see if Obama's polls held out before committing.

That also goes for General Colon Bowell, who could have backed Obysmal at any point but waited like a quivering blancmange until he thought it was safe to do so.



Maybe some people think before they speak or type. You should try it sometime.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 26, 2008 04:07 PM

UpTight said:
Anyone leaving it this late to endorse Obama is a fucking coward. If they have left it this late it's just damn obvious they were waiting to see if Obama's polls held out before committing.

That also goes for General Colon Bowell, who could have backed Obysmal at any point but waited like a quivering blancmange until he thought it was safe to do so.



Well that's just totally absurd. I know that idealogues (on both sides) have a hard time believing that some people aren't as strident in their beliefs as they are, but many people are/were legitimately undecided. Not everyone was "clearly" going to support either McCain or Obama from the start. Some people actually take time to get a feel for the candidates. This is doubly true for editorial boards that are made up of multiple people.

Additionally, I know this is hard to believe, but there are actual reasons to support Obama other than bandwagon-jumping. Crazily enough, it's true.

Accuser

Accuser

Scottsdale, AZ
October 2006

OCT 26, 2008 04:12 PM

Like what this dude says:

A Conservative for Obama
My party has slipped its moorings. It's time for a true pragmatist to lead the country.
Leading Off By Wick Allison, Editor In Chief

THE MORE I LISTEN TO AND READ ABOUT "the most liberal member of the U.S. Senate," the more I like him. Barack Obama strikes a chord with me like no political figure since Ronald Reagan. To explain why, I need to explain why I am a conservative and what it means to me.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
In 1964, at the age of 16, I organized the Dallas County Youth for Goldwater. My senior thesis at the University of Texas was on the conservative intellectual revival in America. Twenty years later, I was invited by William F. Buckley Jr. to join the board of National Review. I later became its publisher.

Conservatism to me is less a political philosophy than a stance, a recognition of the fallibility of man and of man's institutions. Conservatives respect the past not for its antiquity but because it represents, as G.K. Chesterton said, the democracy of the dead; it gives the benefit of the doubt to customs and laws tried and tested in the crucible of time. Conservatives are skeptical of abstract theories and utopian schemes, doubtful that government is wiser than its citizens, and always ready to test any political program against actual results.

Liberalism always seemed to me to be a system of "oughts." We ought to do this or that because it's the right thing to do, regardless of whether it works or not. It is a doctrine based on intentions, not results, on feeling good rather than doing good.

But today it is so-called conservatives who are cemented to political programs when they clearly don't work. The Bush tax cuts%u2014a solution for which there was no real problem and which he refused to end even when the nation went to war%u2014led to huge deficit spending and a $3 trillion growth in the federal debt. Facing this, John McCain pumps his "conservative" credentials by proposing even bigger tax cuts. Meanwhile, a movement that once fought for limited government has presided over the greatest growth of government in our history. That is not conservatism; it is profligacy using conservatism as a mask.

Today it is conservatives, not liberals, who talk with alarming bellicosity about making the world "safe for democracy." It is John McCain who says America's job is to "defeat evil," a theological expansion of the nation's mission that would make George Washington cough out his wooden teeth.

This kind of conservatism, which is not conservative at all, has produced financial mismanagement, the waste of human lives, the loss of moral authority, and the wreckage of our economy that McCain now threatens to make worse.

Barack Obama is not my ideal candidate for president. (In fact, I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses.) But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history. I disagree with him on many issues. But those don't matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. Nobody can read Obama's books (which, it is worth noting, he wrote himself) or listen to him speak without realizing that this is a thoughtful, pragmatic, and prudent man. It gives me comfort just to think that after eight years of George W. Bush we will have a president who has actually read the Federalist Papers.

Most important, Obama will be a realist. I doubt he will taunt Russia, as McCain has, at the very moment when our national interest requires it as an ally. The crucial distinction in my mind is that, unlike John McCain, I am convinced he will not impulsively take us into another war unless American national interests are directly threatened.

"Every great cause," Eric Hoffer wrote, "begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket." As a cause, conservatism may be dead. But as a stance, as a way of making judgments in a complex and difficult world, I believe it is very much alive in the instincts and predispositions of a liberal named Barack Obama.



Personally, I was undecided right up until the VP selection. That's when John McCain made it clear what kind of conservative he considers himself, and it's the exact opposite of the kind of conservative I consider myself.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 26, 2008 04:23 PM

For what it's worth, Obama is absolutely kicking the shit out of McCain in newspaper endorsements.

Here's an interactive map that shows the endorsements up through the weekend. The tally then was 139-52. Twenty-nine of those papers who endorsed Obama endorsed Bush in 2004. Among those pinko liberal bandwagon jumping rags are the Salt Lake Tribune, the Houston Chronicle, the Bryn/College Station Eagle and my hometown paper and former employer the Tri-Valley Herald in Pleasanton, CA.

McCain has had four (4) papers endorse him who endorsed Kerry in 2004. The final tally in 2004 was 208-189 in favor of Kerry.

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

OCT 26, 2008 04:35 PM

Subrosa said:
For what it's worth, Obama is absolutely kicking the shit out of McCain in newspaper endorsements.

Here's an interactive map that shows the endorsements up through the weekend. The tally then was 139-52. Twenty-nine of those papers who endorsed Obama endorsed Bush in 2004. Among those pinko liberal bandwagon jumping rags are the Salt Lake Tribune, the Houston Chronicle, the Bryn/College Station Eagle and my hometown paper and former employer the Tri-Valley Herald in Pleasanton, CA.

McCain has had four (4) papers endorse him who endorsed Kerry in 2004. The final tally in 2004 was 208-189 in favor of Kerry.



Oh, hai, Wikipedia has the current spread at 178-55 and 33-5 on the switches.

Thistle

Thistle

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

OCT 26, 2008 09:40 PM

UpTight said:
Anyone leaving it this late to endorse Obama is a fucking coward. If they have left it this late it's just damn obvious they were waiting to see if Obama's polls held out before committing.

That also goes for General Colon Bowell, who could have backed Obysmal at any point but waited like a quivering blancmange until he thought it was safe to do so.



Maybe they always supported him but waited until it was politically expedient to announce their support. Is that being a coward or being smart?

NewSpectre

NewSpectre

Baltimore, MD
March 2005

OCT 26, 2008 09:44 PM

how does nobody else feel that it's wrong for a media outlet, be it newspaper, magazine, or radio station, to publicly endorse a candidate? From this point on nothing that anybody at the Anchorage Daily News writes about the campaign or anything related to the running of this country can not be taken seriously.

So yeah, go ahead. Jounalistic integrity be damned, all aboard to Obamatrain!!! woo woo

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

OCT 26, 2008 09:46 PM

NewSpectre said:
how does nobody else feel that it's wrong for a media outlet, be it newspaper, magazine, or radio station, to publicly endorse a candidate? From this point on nothing that anybody at the Anchorage Daily News writes about the campaign or anything related to the running of this country can not be taken seriously.

So yeah, go ahead. Jounalistic integrity be damned, all aboard to Obamatrain!!! woo woo



It was in the opinion section. That's where editors express their opinions. The editor had an opinion. That opinion was expressed.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

OCT 26, 2008 09:48 PM

NewSpectre said:
how does nobody else feel that it's wrong for a media outlet, be it newspaper, magazine, or radio station, to publicly endorse a candidate? From this point on nothing that anybody at the Anchorage Daily News writes about the campaign or anything related to the running of this country can not be taken seriously.

So yeah, go ahead. Jounalistic integrity be damned, all aboard to Obamatrain!!! woo woo



Journalism 101: The editorial board is a separate entity from the news room. Newspapers have long had a tradition of their editorial boards endorsing candidates, both Democrat and Republican.

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