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OCT 25, 2008 10:00 AM
SergeantPsycho said:
Mythos_ said:
Good question and I hope he answers.
I have 3 theories, let's see if one hits it:
I'm closest to #1. Personally, i'm not convinced America needs changing to be honest. A few tweaks here and there (I think an Islamic Fundementalist is more likely to blow up a bridge than drug dealer, for example), but if you compare the America of today with America of decades past, I'm sure every one can agree that things are mostly getting better. And things are a hell of a lot better here than say China or Zimbabwe, and I wouldn't hesitate to say they're better in the US than in Canada or England. Yeah, I know I might catch a lot of heat for that, but hey, that's how I feel.
But having said that, it's always interesting to hear what the other side has to say.
The only reason the US might be better than Canada is that you're about to get rid of your idiot and we just re-elected ours.
petepolly
Antarctica
August 2008
OCT 25, 2008 10:02 AM
Rusty_metal_ass said:
petepolly said:
Rusty_metal_ass said:
Just in case some of our more mentally challenged trolls can't quite wrap their tiny little brains around the complete and utter fallacy of replacing foreign oil with oil from drilling offshore of the US, maybe this pretty little picture will help you.
Clear enough for you now?
And your source is?
IT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF THE GRAPHIC!!!!!
OK look at this.
ONE RIG in the Gulf of Mexico will be producing ~60,000 BBL per day.
That is a new installation in an area that is and has been well developed and explored. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the 200,000BBL/day maxing out in 2030 over all of the east and west coast and the Gulf of Mexico east of the Florida-Alabama border is maybe just a tiny bit understated?
Do recall than their has been no serious exploration of any of that area.
OCT 25, 2008 10:06 AM
Bill_the_Satan said:
The only reason the US might be better than Canada is that you're about to get rid of your idiot and we just re-elected ours.
As much as I hate our idiot... I would much rather have him than theirs. At least ours has people to keep him in check.
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OCT 25, 2008 10:20 AM
FreakPirate said:
Bill_the_Satan said:
The only reason the US might be better than Canada is that you're about to get rid of your idiot and we just re-elected ours.
As much as I hate our idiot... I would much rather have him than theirs. At least ours has people to keep him in check.
Thank god for small blessings.
OCT 25, 2008 10:25 AM
petepolly said:
Rusty_metal_ass said:
petepolly said:
Rusty_metal_ass said:
Just in case some of our more mentally challenged trolls can't quite wrap their tiny little brains around the complete and utter fallacy of replacing foreign oil with oil from drilling offshore of the US, maybe this pretty little picture will help you.
Clear enough for you now?
And your source is?
IT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF THE GRAPHIC!!!!!
OK look at this.
ONE RIG in the Gulf of Mexico will be producing ~60,000 BBL per day.
That is a new installation in an area that is and has been well developed and explored. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the 200,000BBL/day maxing out in 2030 over all of the east and west coast and the Gulf of Mexico east of the Florida-Alabama border is maybe just a tiny bit understated?
Do recall than their has been no serious exploration of any of that area.
Stay out of this guys, it's between him and the graph.
OCT 25, 2008 10:27 AM
FearTheReaper said:
Stay out of this guys, it's between him and the graph.
I've got $10 on the graph. It seems feisty.
OCT 25, 2008 10:30 AM
petepolly
Antarctica
August 2008
OCT 25, 2008 10:41 AM
Rusty_metal_ass said:
That link is from 8 years ago, so that well is probably pretty near tapped out, or past peek by now. Irrelevant, as usual.
No, the link is from offshore-technology dot com copyright 2008, the development of the field was first sanctioned in 2001, the production for that field started in may 2004 link
It is up and running in 2008 after being damaged by Hurricane Ivan, producing now about 28,000 BBL/day and more expected soon as a fourth well is drilled and brought online.
link
Again ONE field being served by ONE rig, is actually producing 14% of what your source claims is the maximum possible production of all offshore from Maine to Key West on the east coast, all of the eastern Gulf of Mexico, and all of the Pacific Coast of the USA from the Canadian border to the Mexican boarder.
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petepolly
Antarctica
August 2008
OCT 25, 2008 10:55 AM
petepolly
Antarctica
August 2008
OCT 25, 2008 10:57 AM
OCT 25, 2008 11:23 AM
AceT
Portland, OR
April 2004
OCT 25, 2008 11:38 AM
petepolly said:
OK look at this.
ONE RIG in the Gulf of Mexico will be producing ~60,000 BBL per day.
That is a new installation in an area that is and has been well developed and explored. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the 200,000BBL/day maxing out in 2030 over all of the east and west coast and the Gulf of Mexico east of the Florida-Alabama border is maybe just a tiny bit understated?
Do recall than their has been no serious exploration of any of that area.
Wow. Just...wow. Your level of delusion has reached new levels. Are you trying to tell us now that the number the Bush administration gave us about how much oil offshore drilling would give us is too low, just because you think it is?
The fucking Energy Information Administration has people that do this for a living. Experts. Professionals. They have graphs, reports, researched numbers. You can't refute that with "hmm, that sounds a little low."
Also, it doesn't change the irrefutable fact that creating the infrastructure to drill offshore won't produce any results for 10-20 years. If we instead invest that time, money, and energy to developing an alternative energy infrastructure, we'd be building something with unlimited potential, instead of mining a finite resource. It's called progress.
OCT 25, 2008 11:40 AM
AceT
Portland, OR
April 2004
OCT 25, 2008 11:50 AM
Again, from the EIA.
The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher -- 2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case (Figure 20). Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.
Although a significant volume of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil and natural gas resources is added in the OCS access case, conversion of those resources to production would require both time and money. In addition, the average field size in the Pacific and Atlantic regions tends to be smaller than the average in the Gulf of Mexico, implying that a significant portion of the additional resource would not be economically attractive to develop at the reference case prices.
If you have beef with these numbers, take it up with Phyllis Martin.
Contact: Phyllis Martin
Phone: 202-586-9592
E-mail: phyllis.martin@eia.doe.gov
AceT
Portland, OR
April 2004
OCT 25, 2008 11:59 AM
skeptik
New Orleans, LA
February 2004
OCT 25, 2008 09:59 AM