The current Democrats are the weakest, most spineless fucks ever to grace the halls of Congress. After months of attempting destroy the 4th amendment, it seems they have finally succeeded and their reasoning is more disgusting than the Republicans. Democrats are destroying the Constitution to gain a few votes in swing states. At least the Republicans stand for something, as vile and sickening as it may be.
In case you hadnt heard, the House passed a FISA bill last week. Headlines could have easily read, George Bush Wet Dream Turns Out To Be True. The bill gives immunity to telecom companies who broke the law and expands warrantless wiretapping. Thats exactly why Americans gave Congress back to the Dems in 2006 so they could help Bush use the Constitution as toilet paper.
Think Im exaggerating? Heres what Republicans said about the bill:
The lawsuits will be dismissed, Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the No. 2 Republican in the House, predicted with confidence.
I think the White House got a better deal than they even they had hoped to get, said Senator Christopher Bond, the Missouri Republican who led the negotiations.
Holy fucking shit. Better deal than they even had hoped to get. Why not just say,
They raped themselves! All we had to do was look at em funny!
Even I am shocked at how the Democrats appear to be totally spineless, completely fearful and entirely lacking principles. They embody everything the Founding Fathers were opposed to. A party like the Republicans was expected, which is why the framers created a system that would put a stop to their insane power grab. What was not expected was that the opposing party would go along to gain a few votes and to pad the bank accounts of corporations.
So, what did the Dems give up? Well, the President broke the law apparently committing these things called felonies. Bush spied on our phone calls and emails without warrants because he believes he is above the law. The House voted to protect the President from prosecution, permanently block lawsuits that would have revealed what he did and at the same time, legalized the illegal spying in the past and in the future. House Democrats called it a compromise.
This is the kind of compromise where you dont want to have sex with someone, so you let them fuck you in the ass. The Democratic version of compromise always means the Republicans get what they want. In this case, only one Republican voted against the bill. One the other hand, 105 Democrats compromised. They were totally bipartisan! Yeah, Washington!
Senator Russ Feingold said it best
The proposed FISA deal is not a compromise; it is a capitulation.
I do think this is a total farce with regard to the immunity. It basically guarantees the immunity. It doesnt simply have the impact of potentially allowing telephone companies to break the law. It may prevent us from ever getting to the core issue which is the president ran an illegal program that couldve been an impeachable offense.
Well, dont worry about that, because the Dems got their buddy telecom companies a "get out of jail free" card.
Hey, no worries. Im sure the Founding Fathers would have been totally cool with the President opening and copying every piece of mail they received from overseas. Why would they have a problem with that? When has that kind of power ever been abused?
Heres how this is going to work from now on: Our courts can no longer determine if the government was actually after a terrorist or innocent Americans - or opposing political parties. (You fucking retards.) Judges will actually be barred from examining the actual reasons for the spying. Judges will only be allowed to dismiss lawsuits based on spying the Attorney General will have all the power to say whether or not the spying was "designed to prevent or detect a terrorist attack." This would be the same Attorney General who cant figure out if waterboarding is torture or whether or not members of the Bush White House are in contempt for refusing to testify in front of Congress. Yeah, that guy. The Dems just gave that guy all the power.
Once the Attorney General utters the secret words, judges cannot look into the issue any further. Its pure lawlessness like the Wild West, without those oppressive Sheriffs. Judges dont get to actually decide whether or not the Attorney General is making a valid claim. Once he says the secret words, its over.
And bestest of all, the Dems did it to pick up a few seats. Right now they have a 35 seat majority in the House and they want to build that shit up to 50. So, fuck the Constitution, lets get some Dems up in that bitch!
"For any Republican-leaning district this would have been a huge issue," says a top Pelosi aide, who estimates that as many as 10 competitive races could have been affected by it.
Phew! Thank God you made those districts competitive!
This is a fantastically moronic view of where the country is at this time. Dems made massive, nearly unparalleled pick ups in 2006 because Americans want the Bush White House to be held in check, yet the Democratic answer is to give him everything he wants, so they wont lose seats in the next election. They are so cowardly and stupid it is shocking. Karl Roves entire election strategy in 2006 was built upon FISA and national security, attempting to brand the Dems as weak on terrorism. And yet, the Democrats cleaned the GOPs clock. Republicans were obliterated. And apparently the Democrats learned nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada.
Democrats believe the way to show how awesome they are, is to trample on the Constitution. Trampling isnt even the right word. This is obliteration.
And just to add a little icing on the coward cake, they took a page out of the Patriot Act handbook. House members were only given 24 hours to read the bill and decide on whether or not they should shit all over our rights. Just seems like a few years ago Democrats were complaining loudly they were only given 24 hours to read the Patriot Act before voting on it. And now they are doing it to themselves on a bill that also destroys our civil rights. Well done.
Our neo-con morons will say this bill was necessary, because we need to prevent another 9/11 before it occurs. They argue that if the telecoms arent given immunity, they wont want to help us catch terrorists. Everyone seems to forget that the warrantless wiretapping program started BEFORE 9/11. Im going to write that again, for the idiots. The warrantless wiretapping program started before 9/11. Got it, you fucking dipshit? (Not you, the idiot who believes the Bush bullshit. The coward who is willing to throw out everything this country stands for, so they can feel save in a place that will never be attacked, like Alaska.)
By the sounds of it, Dems have enough votes to overcome a Dodd/Feingold filibuster. Obama is coming in soft on this one. Previously he vowed to do all he could to stop the bill, now he is basically saying we need the bill, although he has said he will try to get the amnesty removed. Either way, if the bill passes and Obama votes for it, I will not vote for him for President. Sorry, cant support someone who tosses away the 4th Amendment. Hello Jesse Johnson!
In the future, you will turn on the news and hear a court dismissed all the lawsuits against telecoms. You wont know why. You wont know what the government said to have the cases tossed. The plaintiffs lawyers wont know either. The judge wont be able to say a word. No one will know. Just Bush and his boys. Ah, sweet democracy given to you by the Democrats.
Feel free to take a look at this video of George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley (far from a liberal) as he describes what this bill does to our Constitution.
Its what any criminal would love to do.
Evisceration of the 4th Amendment.
Way to go Democrats. Dont forget to donate to the Dems this elections cycle. They know you will, because they know you fear the other side more. Too bad there really isnt much of a difference. Oh, wait, there is. One party is full of complete and total cowards who have no principles. The other stands for what they believe in.
You can still call or email your Senator to put a stop to this bill. If you don't know what to say or write, check this shit out.
I am writing to urge you to vote against the warrantless wiretapping law that just passed the House. (H.R. 6304, THE FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008).
This law is not necessary for protecting our country. As you are well aware, FISA already allows the government to tap any person's calls for 72 hours so long as it can retroactively prove to the highly permissive FISA court that there was probable cause. Amending FISA will not make us safer. It will only send a message to the Bush Administration that ignoring Congress, violating criminal law, and violating our rights as American citizens are acceptable. It will also reinforce the idea that voting for Democrats is useless because, even with majorities in both houses, they continue to get steamrolled by the Republican minority.
I am also against giving immunity to lawbreakers, regardless of the who told them to do what. If the president told me to break the law, I wouldn't. Would you?
I urge you to vote against this law in any form, and to use the power of the filibuster to prevent it from coming to a vote if necessary.
The Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
I don't remember where I heard that, but it's a great quote.
Why do people have party loyalty? Why would anyone stay a registered R or D? They both suck major ass. Granted the Dems major problem seems to be appeasing the criminal Republican, but still?
I do not like Lou Dobbs. But I agree with him when he says that we should all be registered independents.
the Dems handling of this issue, as well as the war, has been sickeningly disappointing thus far. it appears that the only real difference between them and the GOP is that when they throw their full support behind Bush's bid to eliminate the other two branches of government, they tell us they feel really bad about it.
(The question made me curious, as I naturally assumed the Republican no vote was Ron Paul, but he was one of the 13 members who didn't vote on the bill.)
I'm elated to have read that my congresswoman Diana DeGette voted no on this abomination. And I did write her a very nice e-mail. Disturbng to think nearly half of the house Dems voted yes.
I wrote the Democratic party and my reps there and told them that they'd failed me beyond my wildest expectations, and that I was switching to Independent (which I had already done a month ago).
And that link to the senators thing does me no good. Both my senators are Republican.
Not to be a complete ass or anything, but weren't many of the same faces now expressing total shock and outrage at this story just recently over here all of five minutes ago deriding famous troll Stockula for bringing this up as a negative for Obama?
I mean, look, if I'm wrong, please explain the fine details to me, because the last place I want to be is defending Stockula in any way shape or form, but for god's sake hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Blasting him for pointing it out on the part of a candidate and then ripping into that candidate's party for the same exact thing is sort of a little, hypocritical, yes?
I am writing to urge you to vote against the warrantless wiretapping law that just passed the House. (H.R. 6304, THE FISA AMENDMENTS ACT OF 2008).
This law is not necessary for protecting your country. As I am sure you are well aware, FISA already allows the government to tap any person's calls for 72 hours so long as it can retroactively prove to the highly permissive FISA court that there was probable cause. Amending FISA will not make anyone safer. It will only send a message to the Bush Administration that ignoring Congress, violating criminal law, and violating your rights as American citizens are acceptable. It will also reinforce the idea that voting for Democrats is useless because, even with majorities in both houses, they continue to get steamrolled by the Republican minority. Furthermore it will send a message to the rest of the world that the inspiring change that we've witnessed, as outsiders has been only a charade, and that America is not yet ready finally, after 7 years living in the darkness of the Bush Administration, to return to the enlightenment of freedom that your forefathers dreamed of. Observing your campaign for the presidency so far has given not only your own nation hope for America, it has given other nations faith in your strength and commitment to doing what is right, rather than caving in to the pressures of those who would choose to rule through fear.
I believe I also stand with your constituents in being against giving immunity to lawbreakers, regardless of who told them to break it. Since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215 the rulers of sovereign nations have been held subject to the same laws as all other citizens. Giving immunity to telecommunications companies who knowingly broke the law under the directive of the President would not only be setting your country back 800 years, it would set a terrible precedent for all future leaders to mistreat and subjugate the citizens of your nation, in whatever way they see fit, with impunity.
I urge you to vote against this law in any form, and to use the power of the filibuster to prevent it from coming to a vote if necessary.
I know you will do what is right. Future generations of not only America, but of the world are depending on it.
Yours sincerely,
**************
Canadian Citizen
Friend of America
ChrisSick said:
Not to be a complete ass or anything, but weren't many of the same faces now expressing total shock and outrage at this story just recently over here all of five minutes ago deriding famous troll Stockula for bringing this up as a negative for Obama?
I mean, look, if I'm wrong, please explain the fine details to me, because the last place I want to be is defending Stockula in any way shape or form, but for god's sake hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Blasting him for pointing it out on the part of a candidate and then ripping into that candidate's party for the same exact thing is sort of a little, hypocritical, yes?
Not entirely. Obama hasn't voted yet, but congress has.
ChrisSick said:
Not to be a complete ass or anything, but weren't many of the same faces now expressing total shock and outrage at this story just recently over here all of five minutes ago deriding famous troll Stockula for bringing this up as a negative for Obama?
I mean, look, if I'm wrong, please explain the fine details to me, because the last place I want to be is defending Stockula in any way shape or form, but for god's sake hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Blasting him for pointing it out on the part of a candidate and then ripping into that candidate's party for the same exact thing is sort of a little, hypocritical, yes?
Not entirely. Obama hasn't voted yet, but congress has.
Fair enough, but Stockula headed his article with an attack on Obama and everyone couldn't wait to rip him apart and tell him he was wrong. As I recall very few people made the point that Obama hadn't voted yet. Most of them made the point that his position had changed based on changing facts and political compromise, which is all fine and good. No one can look too closely at how laws get made and expect to walk away feeling good about it. But no one is making those same points in this thread. I love bashing Congress as much as the next guy, but the facts currently seem to be that Obama has decided to support it and that sort of bothers me about him, I can send him an email as a donor to his campaign, just like I can email my representatives to inform them of my feelings regarding their votes, either upcoming or already recorded. None of that changes the fact that we're all sitting around on this thread bashing the Democrats at large, but when someone from the other side uses the same issue against Obama the crowd wants to rally to his defense. The guy's running for president, expecting him to do everything right and please everyone all the time isn't just silly, it's downright dangerous if it leads him to support weak-sister shit like this law.
Woolsey Calls FISA Vote a 'Sellout of Our Constitution'
June 20, 2008
Washington, DC %u2013 Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey, the Co-Chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, today issued the following statement following passage of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008. Woolsey opposed the measure.
"This proposal is a wholesale sellout of our Constitution. Today's vote provides de facto immunity for telecommunications companies that broke the law and ensures that an Administration that knowingly broke the law will never be held accountable. By weakening judicial oversight, this proposal allows the President to conduct widespread surveillance of innocent Americans, turning our legal system into little more than a rubber stamp for the White House. Elected officials have a solemn responsibility to defend our country, and, like my colleagues, I support a modernization of our intelligence laws. However, I cannot support actions that, under the guise of strengthening our national security, sacrifice individual civil liberties."
I was happy to see that my representative voted against it. It makes me happy that I voted her in.
I'll be sending my senator a letter, though I have a feeling he'll still vote for this bill, being a republican and all. Maybe he'll surprise me.
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JUN 23, 2008 10:58 PM