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felony187

Denver, CO

June 2007

JUN 24, 2008 12:00 AM

coyotemike said:

felony187 said:
You must of missed it , she was on this rant about the manchurian candidate being better qualified than Obama. It would of almost been funny but for her lack of insight about the last two democratic nominees actually serving in Vietnam.

They always seem to miss the fact that we haven't had a president with a significant war record since Bush, Sr. . . . and we all remember what a waste of 4 years his only term was.

I'm not really calling that significant. And look now we are off topic.
Peace and enjoy the world.

Astrobouy

United Kingdom

July 2005

JUN 24, 2008 01:13 AM

Well, what an interesting discussion. For my part I think the classification of rape as a weapon of war is a big step forward, as it will allow the UN to get involved, where previously it would have been classified as criminal activity, and beyond their mandate (I think).

But back to the new topic of the thread:

Rude_Ruca said:
There is rampant racism and bigotry amongst the Latinos and Blacks of this country. However, for some reason, we are keeping that hush hush. And by saying that the US is going to be investigated about their treatment of minorities, well, then they are simply implying that ONLY racism is present amongst the majority, or in other words, white people in America.

I just wanted to highlight that its seems people of minorities are "Latinos" or "Blacks", whereas the majority are "white people".

Fascinating.

And, have I missed something, but can Rude_Ruca explain to me what is soo bad about Barack Obama having a Muslim father, or ever having been a Muslim?

Maybe I'm missing something.

I'll step back from this one now.

Sydni

SUICIDEGIRL

Washington, USA

JUN 24, 2008 01:44 AM

Does this mean worse punishment?

Because that would be awesome.

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA

March 2004

JUN 24, 2008 09:35 AM

it means the possibility of response and punishment. it's really more the groundwork for awesome than anything.

halfjack

Allston, MA

June 2005

JUN 24, 2008 07:07 PM

What concerns me is how do you deal with a situation like the Congo, where although the "war" is dying down, the rape has increased.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

A few surgeons from my hospital just recently came back and did a presentation on this rape phenomenon, where rape, a tool that had been used by the various warring parties fighting for control by spreading fear, has become so commonplace that it occurs even more than it was at the height of the war. It happens in the UN refugee camps, and it happens in the villages the villagers. The phenomenon was caused by the war, and the UN is present in the Congo, but what can they really do about this? Couldn't they still escape justice from the UN by claiming it is not a war crime, because it was not an act of a warring party?

Astrobouy

United Kingdom

July 2005

JUN 26, 2008 02:41 AM

halfjack said:
What concerns me is how do you deal with a situation like the Congo, where although the "war" is dying down, the rape has increased.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

A few surgeons from my hospital just recently came back and did a presentation on this rape phenomenon, where rape, a tool that had been used by the various warring parties fighting for control by spreading fear, has become so commonplace that it occurs even more than it was at the height of the war. It happens in the UN refugee camps, and it happens in the villages the villagers. The phenomenon was caused by the war, and the UN is present in the Congo, but what can they really do about this? Couldn't they still escape justice from the UN by claiming it is not a war crime, because it was not an act of a warring party?

I think this statement was made to deal with exactly that kind of situation. You see, by classifying rape as a weapon of war the UN is recognising that although the shooting may have died down a little, the war is still raging but through the use of a different weapon, which is being directed specifically against the civilian population (which makes it a war crime).

So now they can, in principle, do something about it...

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUN 26, 2008 05:05 AM

girlysound said:

UpTight said:
The answer is - civilized countries should have nothing to do with barbarians.

Is this supposed to imply that we should leave "barbarians" to fight amongst themselves and rape men, women and children because that is how it is coming across.

Not at all, but when you take a look at the membership of the UN's Human Rights Commission over the years and you realise that representatives from countries like China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Sudan & Zimbabwe have been involved, it should leave few if any questions in your mind.

The UN is a talking shop where more-or-less responsible, modern countries play off against the barbaric regimes and nothing gets done.

The UN has been in business since 1948 and have they've achieved NOTHING. FUCK FUCKING ALL!!

Iran still hangs gay people, Saudi still stones & flogs women.

We're you impressed at the dramatic way pulled out all the stops this month and issued a "condemnation" of Mugabe? Was that worth the money?

Perhaps, with the UN and its barbarian block votes out of the way, it will be easier to take military action, impose heavy sanctions or freeze the assets of brutal regimes & dictators.

If the Russian & French UN representatives hadn't been on Saddam's payroll, perhaps an International force could have swept him out of power and remained to do the policing that the US and Briatin is doing today.

If it was NATO forces in Congo instead of UN thugs in blue helmets, then those Congolese women wouldn't have been raped. If international forces had bombed the Janjawid militia into ragu paste, the genocide would have been nipped in the bud. If soldiers who are allowed to shoot terrorists rather than "observe" were stationed in Lebanon, Hezbollah wouldn't be gearing up for another war.

I won't even mention El Baradei and his toothless, blind IAEA. as Israel is going to have to sort out Iran's Philadelphia experiment on their own. No doubt to the consternation of those wankers at the UN - just like they pissed and moaned when Israel saved the world by taking out Saddam's nuclear weapons factory.

UpTight

I'm lost

December 2003

JUN 26, 2008 05:10 AM

girlysound said
General Ban Ki-moon announced plans to shortly appoint a Messenger of Peace tasked entirely with advocacy for ending violence against women. He also urged the Council to adopt resolutions with strong language on sexual and gender-based violence, so that "the UN can respond more forcefully".

Which means they'll exercise the power to issue possibly the most strongly worded statement they've ever issued. Even stronger that the condemnation of Mugabe (which takes some doing, as far as ineffectual put-downs of dictators, go)

And if the abusers still don't listen, maybe they'll have a really forceful discussion on sanctions (before the countries that like abusing women out-vote it). Sure Saudi is still on the UN Human Rights Council - but they'll give it a damn good go.

Also, I'll bet you a tenner that the "Messenger for Peace" is some fascist who thinks that it is "progressive" to try and avoid actually hospitalising women when you beat them.

SockPuppet

I'm lost

July 2006

JUN 26, 2008 03:21 PM

girlysound said:

UpTight said:
The answer is - civilized countries should have nothing to do with barbarians.

Is this supposed to imply that we should leave "barbarians" to fight amongst themselves and rape men, women and children because that is how it is coming across.

Not at all, but when you take a look at the membership of the UN's Human Rights Commission over the years and you realise that representatives from countries like China, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Sudan & Zimbabwe have been involved, it should leave few if any questions in your mind.

The UN is a talking shop where more-or-less responsible, modern countries play off against the barbaric regimes and nothing gets done.

The UN has been in business since 1948 and have they've achieved NOTHING. FUCK FUCKING ALL!!

Cyprus.

Iran still hangs gay people, Saudi still stones & flogs women.

We're you impressed at the dramatic way pulled out all the stops this month and issued a "condemnation" of Mugabe? Was that worth the money?

Perhaps, with the UN and its barbarian block votes out of the way, it will be easier to take military action, impose heavy sanctions or freeze the assets of brutal regimes & dictators.

If the Russian & French UN representatives hadn't been on Saddam's payroll, perhaps an International force could have swept him out of power and remained to do the policing that the US and Briatin is doing today.

Source for this comment, please.

If it was NATO forces in Congo instead of UN thugs in blue helmets, then those Congolese women wouldn't have been raped. If international forces had bombed the Janjawid militia into ragu paste, the genocide would have been nipped in the bud. If soldiers who are allowed to shoot terrorists rather than "observe" were stationed in Lebanon, Hezbollah wouldn't be gearing up for another war.

I won't even mention El Baradei and his toothless, blind IAEA. as Israel is going to have to sort out Iran's Philadelphia experiment on their own. No doubt to the consternation of those wankers at the UN - just like they pissed and moaned when Israel saved the world by taking out Saddam's nuclear weapons factory.

Saved the world? Get a life.

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA

April 2004

JUN 26, 2008 03:41 PM

UpTight said:

The UN has been in business since 1948 and have they've achieved NOTHING. FUCK FUCKING ALL!!

Um, no. That's wrong.

SockPuppet

I'm lost

July 2006

JUN 26, 2008 03:41 PM

SockPuppet said:

UpTight said:
I won't even mention El Baradei and his toothless, blind IAEA. as Israel is going to have to sort out Iran's Philadelphia experiment on their own. No doubt to the consternation of those wankers at the UN - just like they pissed and moaned when Israel saved the world by taking out Saddam's nuclear weapons factory.

Saved the world? Get a life.

Osirak raid: 1981.

Photo of Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein's hand: 1983.

RedBstrd

Riverside, CA

April 2004

JUN 26, 2008 04:19 PM

UpTight said:
The UN has been in business since 1948...

Note: if you can't get the date right for the foundation of the United Nations, people will be very reluctant to take you as an authority on the organization.

Member states signed the UN Charter on 26 June 1945.
The UN Charter was ratified on 24 October 1945.
The UN Security Council met on 17 January 1946.
The UN passed its first resolution on 24 January 1946.
Trygve Lie became the Secretary-General of the UN on 2 February 1946.
The General Assembly met on 10 February 1946.

The UN was already involved in peacekeeping missions in 1948. The first of these, in Palestine, was successful in the goal of monitoring and documenting violations of the peace agreement ending the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

JUN 29, 2008 12:12 PM

Mostly in response to Rude_Ruca. I know, I'm late to the party.

On immigrants vs the system:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Rude_Ruca said: any-who, it doesn't matter that they are paying into a system that that they'll never recieve a return on... THEY ARE STEALING SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS! Something, like most freedoms that we soo hastily take advantage of, that our forefathers, and immigrants before us, worked their knuckles to the bone, IN THIS COUNTRY and IN THIS SYSTEM to obtain. The fact that people are immigrating here, and stealing SS #'s is despicable and something that the early immigrants of Ellis Island are CERTAINLY turning in their graves over.....

THAT'S RIGHT!! The immigrants before us (who were called lazy, thieves, dishonest...hey this is starting to sound familiar!) worked IN THIS SYSTEM! Given, the social security system didn't even exist until 1935, so immigrants before that time had no SS#'s to steal.

I'm also guessing that when you think about freedoms that people worked to obtain, you're also talking about labor laws and worker's rights, which many SOCIALIST movements fought for. You know, those dirty, dirty liberals.

Many of the rights people fight/fought for require changing the current system. You must agree with this concept, since our country's system has changed so many times to make room for everyone's freedoms. Of course, I'm not too judgmental towards people who break current laws in order to lead a life of hard work that improves this country. I don't think slaves who broke the law and escaped to the North did anything unethical because I disagree with the idea of slavery and zero worker's rights. I don't think immigrants who steal SS#'s in order to work are doing anything unethical because they are paying into a system from which they get nothing back.

I believe current labor and immigration laws should be changed to put more pressure on dishonest management who hire illegal immigrants for the purpose of exploiting their illegal status for personal gain (low pay, zero benefits, zero rights). I think immigrants who are clearly making a productive living in this country should be allowed to stay. I also think people who don't bother working should be shipped to some island where they can have their lack of productivity only affect themselves, but that's just me.

On Europe's pansy ass:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

If we have to go in and save Europe's ass from another internal battle one more fucking time, I think I am going to puke on anyone who voted for Obama's sorry ass. Seriously. Hey! Europe, man the fuck up and fight for a worthy cause - it's called The Darfur region? You can pipe in a fill your slimy lungs all day about hoe the US does NOTHING to help other nations, but in 2006, the United States gave THE MOST in foreign aid, WHILST being entangled in TWO foreign conflicts.....guh! I wish you apologists would get your head out of the fucking clouds long enough to see what the FUCk is going on around you! And NO ONE ELSE will say this, but believe you me, there are PLENTY of people here and else where that share this sentiment. You all think that Barack Obama is the beginning of a new era? Fuck no, he's just the start of the decline of modern civilization and civil liberties as we know it. So, go ahead and vote for the slimy scoundrel! Because trust me, once the middle east is done butt raping Israel, hopefully though Israel will nuke the shit out of them before this happens, you can bet your fucking britches the US will be next, and you know why? Cause all your fucking messiah wants to do is talk it out - this ain't the fucking sand box in preschool - there is no talking to religious extremists hell bent on enslaving all beneficiaries of western ideals and civilization under Sharia Law. So when Europe and the rest of you leftist loons can grow a pair, hopefully it won't be too late, and America as we know it won't be blown to smithereens. God help us all if our future rest in the hands of those voting for Barack Hussein Obama (who by the way, WON'T release his birth certificate for public consumption, but rather a notice of time of birth - which is ONLY information submitted to the State of Hawaii- NOT an actual birth certificate!). And you can take THAT to the bank!!!!!!

Oh, and for the Link police, Here ya go:

Foreign Aid

Firstly, his birth-certificate is a non-issue. If there was anything wrong with it, he would have been disqualified from becoming a Senator, let alone running for President.

Also, why should Europe "man up"? What are you implying? As for saving them from internal battles, didn't France do us a solid during the Revolutionary War?
link

Mostly, though, your above rant is hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment.

On the evils of Hillary Clinton:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On the UN's hatred of America and how it relates to this topic:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On hilarious examples of hypocrisy:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On how a black president means racism no longer exists:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Lastly, a friendly welcome to a newbie to the CEBoards:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

halfjack

Allston, MA

June 2005

JUN 29, 2008 01:04 PM

Astrobouy said:
I think this statement was made to deal with exactly that kind of situation. You see, by classifying rape as a weapon of war the UN is recognising that although the shooting may have died down a little, the war is still raging but through the use of a different weapon, which is being directed specifically against the civilian population (which makes it a war crime).

So now they can, in principle, do something about it...

Well see that's where I'm concerned. Because the rape isn't being done by the soldiers or the tribes anymore. It has become commonplace.
Lemme try and stretch this to an analogy. Theft has always been commonplace during war. Pillaging is a time-honored war tool used by occupying forces to further control a local population. But if the UN made this a war-crime, could they then take standard cat burglars to a tribunal?
ok so that was a crappy analogy, but hopefully you got my point. Violent gang rape was brought by war to the Congo, but it has quickly taken on as a sick trend there. A large population of men in the area questioned were not even sure as to the definition of rape. It is no longer war. It is life. I don't envy the defense attorneys here, but they'd have a lot to go on.
And even when it is done by soldiers, it is often perpetrated by guerilla soldiers, in very remote regions. It takes the survivors days to get to a hospital, let alone tell authorities who would in turn track them down.

also,

UpTight said:
The answer is - civilized countries should have nothing to do with barbarians.

The UN has been in business since 1948 and have they've achieved NOTHING. FUCK FUCKING ALL!!

If the Russian & French UN representatives hadn't been on Saddam's payroll, perhaps an International force could have swept him out of power and remained to do the policing that the US and Briatin is doing today.

If it was NATO forces in Congo instead of UN thugs in blue helmets, then those Congolese women wouldn't have been raped. If international forces had bombed the Janjawid militia into ragu paste, the genocide would have been nipped in the bud. If soldiers who are allowed to shoot terrorists rather than "observe" were stationed in Lebanon, Hezbollah wouldn't be gearing up for another war.

Your your in political science are fascinating.
Firstly, barbarians? Are you seriously THAT British guy? Were you twirling your mustache and brandishing your musket whilst saying that?

Secondly, I know that it makes sense to many conservatives that the only way the French and Russians could possibly have not been war-mongers is if they were "on Saddam's payroll." Because Russia is really one big dirty cop, right? And Saddam was the charming mafiosa of the Middle East?

Also, read this sentence over again.

If international forces had bombed the Janjawid militia into ragu paste, the genocide would have been nipped in the bud.

Believe it or not, but there are SOME liberal pansies out there who might call bombing entire tribes into goo "genocide."

Coyotemike

USA

May 2006

JUN 29, 2008 02:36 PM

Otoki said:
Mostly in response to Rude_Ruca. I know, I'm late to the party.

On immigrants vs the system:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Rude_Ruca said: any-who, it doesn't matter that they are paying into a system that that they'll never recieve a return on... THEY ARE STEALING SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS! Something, like most freedoms that we soo hastily take advantage of, that our forefathers, and immigrants before us, worked their knuckles to the bone, IN THIS COUNTRY and IN THIS SYSTEM to obtain. The fact that people are immigrating here, and stealing SS #'s is despicable and something that the early immigrants of Ellis Island are CERTAINLY turning in their graves over.....

THAT'S RIGHT!! The immigrants before us (who were called lazy, thieves, dishonest...hey this is starting to sound familiar!) worked IN THIS SYSTEM! Given, the social security system didn't even exist until 1935, so immigrants before that time had no SS#'s to steal.

I'm also guessing that when you think about freedoms that people worked to obtain, you're also talking about labor laws and worker's rights, which many SOCIALIST movements fought for. You know, those dirty, dirty liberals.

Many of the rights people fight/fought for require changing the current system. You must agree with this concept, since our country's system has changed so many times to make room for everyone's freedoms. Of course, I'm not too judgmental towards people who break current laws in order to lead a life of hard work that improves this country. I don't think slaves who broke the law and escaped to the North did anything unethical because I disagree with the idea of slavery and zero worker's rights. I don't think immigrants who steal SS#'s in order to work are doing anything unethical because they are paying into a system from which they get nothing back.

I believe current labor and immigration laws should be changed to put more pressure on dishonest management who hire illegal immigrants for the purpose of exploiting their illegal status for personal gain (low pay, zero benefits, zero rights). I think immigrants who are clearly making a productive living in this country should be allowed to stay. I also think people who don't bother working should be shipped to some island where they can have their lack of productivity only affect themselves, but that's just me.

On Europe's pansy ass:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

If we have to go in and save Europe's ass from another internal battle one more fucking time, I think I am going to puke on anyone who voted for Obama's sorry ass. Seriously. Hey! Europe, man the fuck up and fight for a worthy cause - it's called The Darfur region? You can pipe in a fill your slimy lungs all day about hoe the US does NOTHING to help other nations, but in 2006, the United States gave THE MOST in foreign aid, WHILST being entangled in TWO foreign conflicts.....guh! I wish you apologists would get your head out of the fucking clouds long enough to see what the FUCk is going on around you! And NO ONE ELSE will say this, but believe you me, there are PLENTY of people here and else where that share this sentiment. You all think that Barack Obama is the beginning of a new era? Fuck no, he's just the start of the decline of modern civilization and civil liberties as we know it. So, go ahead and vote for the slimy scoundrel! Because trust me, once the middle east is done butt raping Israel, hopefully though Israel will nuke the shit out of them before this happens, you can bet your fucking britches the US will be next, and you know why? Cause all your fucking messiah wants to do is talk it out - this ain't the fucking sand box in preschool - there is no talking to religious extremists hell bent on enslaving all beneficiaries of western ideals and civilization under Sharia Law. So when Europe and the rest of you leftist loons can grow a pair, hopefully it won't be too late, and America as we know it won't be blown to smithereens. God help us all if our future rest in the hands of those voting for Barack Hussein Obama (who by the way, WON'T release his birth certificate for public consumption, but rather a notice of time of birth - which is ONLY information submitted to the State of Hawaii- NOT an actual birth certificate!). And you can take THAT to the bank!!!!!!

Oh, and for the Link police, Here ya go:

Foreign Aid

Firstly, his birth-certificate is a non-issue. If there was anything wrong with it, he would have been disqualified from becoming a Senator, let alone running for President.

Also, why should Europe "man up"? What are you implying? As for saving them from internal battles, didn't France do us a solid during the Revolutionary War?
link

Mostly, though, your above rant is hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment.

On the evils of Hillary Clinton:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On the UN's hatred of America and how it relates to this topic:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On hilarious examples of hypocrisy:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On how a black president means racism no longer exists:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Lastly, a friendly welcome to a newbie to the CEBoards:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

You're my new hero

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA

March 2004

JUN 29, 2008 04:33 PM

Otoki said:
Mostly in response to Rude_Ruca. I know, I'm late to the party.

On immigrants vs the system:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Rude_Ruca said: any-who, it doesn't matter that they are paying into a system that that they'll never recieve a return on... THEY ARE STEALING SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS! Something, like most freedoms that we soo hastily take advantage of, that our forefathers, and immigrants before us, worked their knuckles to the bone, IN THIS COUNTRY and IN THIS SYSTEM to obtain. The fact that people are immigrating here, and stealing SS #'s is despicable and something that the early immigrants of Ellis Island are CERTAINLY turning in their graves over.....

THAT'S RIGHT!! The immigrants before us (who were called lazy, thieves, dishonest...hey this is starting to sound familiar!) worked IN THIS SYSTEM! Given, the social security system didn't even exist until 1935, so immigrants before that time had no SS#'s to steal.

I'm also guessing that when you think about freedoms that people worked to obtain, you're also talking about labor laws and worker's rights, which many SOCIALIST movements fought for. You know, those dirty, dirty liberals.

Many of the rights people fight/fought for require changing the current system. You must agree with this concept, since our country's system has changed so many times to make room for everyone's freedoms. Of course, I'm not too judgmental towards people who break current laws in order to lead a life of hard work that improves this country. I don't think slaves who broke the law and escaped to the North did anything unethical because I disagree with the idea of slavery and zero worker's rights. I don't think immigrants who steal SS#'s in order to work are doing anything unethical because they are paying into a system from which they get nothing back.

I believe current labor and immigration laws should be changed to put more pressure on dishonest management who hire illegal immigrants for the purpose of exploiting their illegal status for personal gain (low pay, zero benefits, zero rights). I think immigrants who are clearly making a productive living in this country should be allowed to stay. I also think people who don't bother working should be shipped to some island where they can have their lack of productivity only affect themselves, but that's just me.

On Europe's pansy ass:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

If we have to go in and save Europe's ass from another internal battle one more fucking time, I think I am going to puke on anyone who voted for Obama's sorry ass. Seriously. Hey! Europe, man the fuck up and fight for a worthy cause - it's called The Darfur region? You can pipe in a fill your slimy lungs all day about hoe the US does NOTHING to help other nations, but in 2006, the United States gave THE MOST in foreign aid, WHILST being entangled in TWO foreign conflicts.....guh! I wish you apologists would get your head out of the fucking clouds long enough to see what the FUCk is going on around you! And NO ONE ELSE will say this, but believe you me, there are PLENTY of people here and else where that share this sentiment. You all think that Barack Obama is the beginning of a new era? Fuck no, he's just the start of the decline of modern civilization and civil liberties as we know it. So, go ahead and vote for the slimy scoundrel! Because trust me, once the middle east is done butt raping Israel, hopefully though Israel will nuke the shit out of them before this happens, you can bet your fucking britches the US will be next, and you know why? Cause all your fucking messiah wants to do is talk it out - this ain't the fucking sand box in preschool - there is no talking to religious extremists hell bent on enslaving all beneficiaries of western ideals and civilization under Sharia Law. So when Europe and the rest of you leftist loons can grow a pair, hopefully it won't be too late, and America as we know it won't be blown to smithereens. God help us all if our future rest in the hands of those voting for Barack Hussein Obama (who by the way, WON'T release his birth certificate for public consumption, but rather a notice of time of birth - which is ONLY information submitted to the State of Hawaii- NOT an actual birth certificate!). And you can take THAT to the bank!!!!!!

Oh, and for the Link police, Here ya go:

Foreign Aid

Firstly, his birth-certificate is a non-issue. If there was anything wrong with it, he would have been disqualified from becoming a Senator, let alone running for President.

Also, why should Europe "man up"? What are you implying? As for saving them from internal battles, didn't France do us a solid during the Revolutionary War?
link

Mostly, though, your above rant is hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment.

On the evils of Hillary Clinton:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On the UN's hatred of America and how it relates to this topic:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On hilarious examples of hypocrisy:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

On how a black president means racism no longer exists:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Lastly, a friendly welcome to a newbie to the CEBoards:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Quirky

Birmingham, AL

October 2005

JUN 29, 2008 04:36 PM

Otoki said:
Mostly in response to Rude_Ruca. I know, I'm late to the party.

On immigrants vs the system:

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Rude_Ruca said: any-who, it doesn't matter that they are paying into a system that that they'll never recieve a return on... THEY ARE STEALING SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS! Something, like most freedoms that we soo hastily take advantage of, that our forefathers, and immigrants before us, worked their knuckles to the bone, IN THIS COUNTRY and IN THIS SYSTEM to obtain. The fact that people are immigrating here, and stealing SS #'s is despicable and something that the early immigrants of Ellis Island are CERTAINLY turning in their graves over.....

THAT'S RIGHT!! The immigrants before us (who were called lazy, thieves, dishonest...hey this is starting to sound familiar!) worked IN THIS SYSTEM! Given, the social security system didn't even exist until 1935, so immigrants before that time had no SS#'s to steal.

I'm also guessing that when you think about freedoms that people worked to obtain, you're also talking about labor laws and worker's rights, which many SOCIALIST movements fought for. You know, those dirty, dirty liberals.

Many of the rights people fight/fought for require changing the current system. You must agree with this concept, since our country's system has changed so many times to make room for everyone's freedoms. Of course, I'm not too judgmental towards people who break current laws in order to lead a life of hard work that improves this country. I don't think slaves who broke the law and escaped to the North did anything unethical because I disagree with the idea of slavery and zero worker's rights. I don't think immigrants who steal SS#'s in order to work are doing anything unethical because they are paying into a system from which they get nothing back.

I believe current labor and immigration laws should be changed to put more pressure on dishonest management who hire illegal immigrants for the purpose of exploiting their illegal status for personal gain (low pay, zero benefits, zero rights). I think immigrants who are clearly making a productive living in this country should be allowed to stay. I also think people who don't bother working should be shipped to some island where they can have their lack of productivity only affect themselves, but that's just me.

On Europe's pansy ass:

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If we have to go in and save Europe's ass from another internal battle one more fucking time, I think I am going to puke on anyone who voted for Obama's sorry ass. Seriously. Hey! Europe, man the fuck up and fight for a worthy cause - it's called The Darfur region? You can pipe in a fill your slimy lungs all day about hoe the US does NOTHING to help other nations, but in 2006, the United States gave THE MOST in foreign aid, WHILST being entangled in TWO foreign conflicts.....guh! I wish you apologists would get your head out of the fucking clouds long enough to see what the FUCk is going on around you! And NO ONE ELSE will say this, but believe you me, there are PLENTY of people here and else where that share this sentiment. You all think that Barack Obama is the beginning of a new era? Fuck no, he's just the start of the decline of modern civilization and civil liberties as we know it. So, go ahead and vote for the slimy scoundrel! Because trust me, once the middle east is done butt raping Israel, hopefully though Israel will nuke the shit out of them before this happens, you can bet your fucking britches the US will be next, and you know why? Cause all your fucking messiah wants to do is talk it out - this ain't the fucking sand box in preschool - there is no talking to religious extremists hell bent on enslaving all beneficiaries of western ideals and civilization under Sharia Law. So when Europe and the rest of you leftist loons can grow a pair, hopefully it won't be too late, and America as we know it won't be blown to smithereens. God help us all if our future rest in the hands of those voting for Barack Hussein Obama (who by the way, WON'T release his birth certificate for public consumption, but rather a notice of time of birth - which is ONLY information submitted to the State of Hawaii- NOT an actual birth certificate!). And you can take THAT to the bank!!!!!!

Oh, and for the Link police, Here ya go:

Foreign Aid

Firstly, his birth-certificate is a non-issue. If there was anything wrong with it, he would have been disqualified from becoming a Senator, let alone running for President.

Also, why should Europe "man up"? What are you implying? As for saving them from internal battles, didn't France do us a solid during the Revolutionary War?
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Mostly, though, your above rant is hilarious. Thanks for the entertainment.

On the evils of Hillary Clinton:

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On the UN's hatred of America and how it relates to this topic:

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On hilarious examples of hypocrisy:

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On how a black president means racism no longer exists:

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Lastly, a friendly welcome to a newbie to the CEBoards:

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I love it when Otoki ends a thread. It's a miracle, like seeing a shooting star.

Otoki

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

JUL 01, 2008 08:40 AM

^^I do my best. Actually, I had a comic strip I wanted to attach for Ruca's benefit, but I'm too lazy to hunt down an online version that isn't buried in pay sites.

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