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LSlice

LSlice

Montclair, NJ
December 2007

JUN 22, 2008 11:18 AM

Wodanaz said:

motorfirebox said:
perhaps someone with greater perspicacity could witness certain aspects of human behavior and maintain the paradigm that the concept of right and wrong is too relative to be meaningful. i do not have that perspicacity. i wonder if any human does.



The Sun King does, and puts it rather eloquently.



I'm pretty sure Nietzsche felt that way too

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JUN 22, 2008 11:24 AM

true enough. well, good for them.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

JUN 22, 2008 11:45 AM

PointBlank said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:
Damn it! Pool's closed.

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That's because it's the Lord's Day.


Mass must be over. Pool's Open!

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

JUN 22, 2008 03:20 PM

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:
Damn it! Pool's closed.

So, are you suggesting I should teach my children the opposite of what I believe in? Or be neutral?



In all honesty i remain neutral. Whatever my daughter chooses to believe in is her business, it's not my job as a parent to tell her what to believe in, it's my job as a parent to inform her of all the options and keep her safe.

When the subject of religion and God do come up, i answer every question she asks. If she asks me my opinion i tell her. She has, and she knows that i don't and why i don't believe. I don't necessarily expect her views to meet mine in every way, i want her to be her own person, not a carbon copy of me. One me on this planet is enough.

I think the only time i would actually step in and tell her absolutely not to do something, is when her safety and well being comes into play. Her mother is an addict, i am an addict and an alcoholic, as parents we've given her the gift of the genetic marker to follow in our footsteps, we've discussed drugs and alcohol, and i have not pulled any punches when i tell her about those things.

No matter what she chooses to believe or disbelieve, i will still love her with all my heart. She's my daughter.

Varuka_Salt

Varuka_Salt

I'm lost
October 2006

JUN 22, 2008 03:29 PM

DevilsReject said:

Shiny_Metal_Ass said:
Damn it! Pool's closed.

So, are you suggesting I should teach my children the opposite of what I believe in? Or be neutral?



In all honesty i remain neutral. Whatever my daughter chooses to believe in is her business, it's not my job as a parent to tell her what to believe in, it's my job as a parent to inform her of all the options and keep her safe.

When the subject of religion and God do come up, i answer every question she asks. If she asks me my opinion i tell her. She has, and she knows that i don't and why i don't believe. I don't necessarily expect her views to meet mine in every way, i want her to be her own person, not a carbon copy of me. One me on this planet is enough.

I think the only time i would actually step in and tell her absolutely not to do something, is when her safety and well being comes into play. Her mother is an addict, i am an addict and an alcoholic, as parents we've given her the gift of the genetic marker to follow in our footsteps, we've discussed drugs and alcohol, and i have not pulled any punches when i tell her about those things.

No matter what she chooses to believe or disbelieve, i will still love her with all my heart. She's my daughter.



I feel exactly the same way. I do explain the difference between pretty harmless religions, like the Mennonites down here, best people I ever met, and the scientologists, most dangerous of the large religions. Whatever they believe in when they are older is fine with me, I'll still love them just the same.

dholokov

dholokov

Toronto, ON
April 2003

JUN 22, 2008 10:12 PM

cpkz said:

IDGAS said:
It is not a belief system to not believe something.




Thats where atheists go wrong. .



And that's where theists try to present their assertions as having anything to do with reason and rationalism.

Look, there's faith and there's reason. Faith can be very important and valuable, but it isn't reason. If people want to be religious and talk in depth about their faith, why the hell not? But if they start asserting that their deity is emperically "real" (or even likely), they better be ready to back it up with tangible proof. Especially if they are trying to use it as a basis to try to tell other people what to do.

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

JUN 22, 2008 10:23 PM

dholokov said:

cpkz said:

IDGAS said:
It is not a belief system to not believe something.




Thats where atheists go wrong. .



And that's where theists try to present their assertions as having anything to do with reason and rationalism.

Look, there's faith and there's reason. Faith can be very important and valuable, but it isn't reason. If people want to be religious and talk in depth about their faith, why the hell not? But if they start asserting that their deity is emperically "real" (or even likely), they better be ready to back it up with tangible proof. Especially if they are trying to use it as a basis to try to tell other people what to do.



Nice. smile

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