Zimbabwean military now running the election

You know who did care about Africa? Jimmy Carter. He cared so much he supported Mugabe's rise to power and insisted the rebel leader have a say in the post-revolutionary government of Rhodesia. Look how it turned out.

You people never learn.

Cus it totally worked in Somalia.........

So . . . exactly the same thing Reagan did in Afganistan?

i'm sorry, what was that? the Taliban couldn't have seized power without the aid and support of the Reagan administration? i'm deaf in my right ear, you'll have to speak up.

When has that been any sort of issue for this administration?

Realistically, the US would need permission from the SADC, first. That might be awkward; too closely allied to the former colonial power.

No no, that was the UN. Where's your faith in the American military?

i'm not saying deploying to Zimbabwe is a good idea. i'm simply pointing out that if spreading democracy and stability were the real reason we're still in Iraq, we'd also be gearing up to hit Zimbabwe--and we wouldn't let anyone's objections deter us.

The American military is designed to destroy, not police things. I have no doubt we could seize power but then what?

It'd need an awful lot of work, for sure.

And I'm not really sure the seizing of power would be easy; Zimbabwe's a mess, with little remaining infrastructure, and that doesn't play well to the US military style - too much air power, and not enough boots.
Plus the diplomacy would need time, which would give the Zimbabwean military time to disperse, and stockpile, and arm the war veterans. That's Vietnam, right there.

I am already aware of what the Bush Administration is doing. I still think that Shrub could do more. Exactly what, mind you, I'm not certain, but simply complaining to the UN doesn't really cut it. I mean, look what is still happening in Rwanda. Complaining to the UN really helped with that, now didn't it?

Mugabe's thugs cut off the hands and feet off the opposition opponent's wife, threw her in a hut and burned her to death. If that isn't cause for alarm, I don't know what is.

Yeah, we attacked Iraq to instill Democracy. . .er. . .um. . .extract oil from the country. Bush's duplicity is ridiculous.

Did Zimbabwe attack the United States and somehow lead to a war with Iraq that has left thousands of Americans dead? No.

Did the Taliban inside Afghanistan attack the United States and shomehow lead to a war with Iraq that has left thousands of Americans dead? Yes.

It seems that you are comparing apples and oranges again, Stockula.

Keep it up, though. You're really good at that.

Why would anyone think that the world is going to do jack-shit for these people. Just the bare minimum has been done in Darfur. The Rwandan situation was a disaster as well. And lets not get into Somalia. There is a reason this is not being dealt with. The powers that be don't think that when all is said and done, that they can make a buck. And that is just sad.
No we can't afford to occupy an other country. And the UN can't do anything or worse yet, won't.
A major problem with Africa is that the colonial white powers decided to draw these little thin lines on maps not taking into account all the different tribes that lived in those borders that just don't get along. Now this isn't the only problem but it is a main factor.
Mugabe is a thug and frankly he should be deposed or just plain and simply eliminated. And at the end of the day nothing will happen. Except some motard will turn this into a thread about birth certificates.

Much like raygun and bush uno supported the rise to power of noriega in Panama, knowing then that he was involved with trafficking drugs. Or ignoring the fact that sadaam was killing Kurds and Iranians with poison gas. And still passing on satellite info of irainian troop positions.
Carter didn't know that mugabe would be the nut-job he became. Whilst raygun and bush knew exactly who they were dealing with and what they were capable of doing.
and you people will never know!

Ok. What's the solution to the current situation in Zimbabwe? Do you think that there is a solution? Do you think that everyone needs to just back off and mind their own business? What would you do if you were the US president or the president of South Africa?

The Guardian has footage of the election being rigged.