i honestly cannot fathom how you still believe that Free Market will magically make everything better when every last shred of evidence from the past and present involving either a lack or decrease in government regulation involves big businesses doing horrendously shameful things that endangers the lives of employees and consumers, even costing lives, LSlice.
do you honestly believe it is worth the lives of hundreds, if not thousands, of people (or more, potentially) just so businesses don't have to deal with periodic inspections and oversight?
scylis said:
wow, talk about a great big ball of stupid.
i honestly cannot fathom how you still believe that Free Market will magically make everything better when every last shred of evidence from the past and present involving either a lack or decrease in government regulation involves big businesses doing horrendously shameful things that endangers the lives of employees and consumers, even costing lives, LSlice.
do you honestly believe it is worth the lives of hundreds, if not thousands, of people (or more, potentially) just so businesses don't have to deal with periodic inspections and oversight?
I don't think the free market will magically solve everything.
The question here is philosophy of government. It seems this particular point boils down to pre-emptive, preventative government intervention versus ex-posto facto corrective intervention.
scylis said:
wow, talk about a great big ball of stupid.
i honestly cannot fathom how you still believe that Free Market will magically make everything better when every last shred of evidence from the past and present involving either a lack or decrease in government regulation involves big businesses doing horrendously shameful things that endangers the lives of employees and consumers, even costing lives, LSlice.
do you honestly believe it is worth the lives of hundreds, if not thousands, of people (or more, potentially) just so businesses don't have to deal with periodic inspections and oversight?
I don't think the free market will magically solve everything.
The question here is philosophy of government. It seems this particular point boils down to pre-emptive, preventative government intervention versus ex-posto facto corrective intervention.
but paul tardius, are you saying our government is preemptive or after the fact? because one would argue that the FDA came about AFTER THE FACT of people dying over a lot of drug and poisoned food misuse.
if you ARE saying the government is after the fact now, then youre arguing for a preemptive government, which means MORE GOVERNMENT.
LSlice, what you're missing is that many drugs when taken in carefully moderated dosages are hugely beneficial. When taken out of those dosages, or combined with certain other drugs, they can be quite capable of killing you dead or otherwise severely disadvantaging your body. Prescription drugs are controlled precisely because they pose those sorts of risks. (Which isn't to say that over-the-counter drugs can't fuck you up if taken improperly, but it takes more doing.)
And again, I don't think it's the government's job to protect against stupidity. Clearly the people selling the drugs should clearly list their uses and dosage. You can kill yourself with almost anything.
You don't understand. That isn't even remotely possible. Prescription drugs are prescription-only because they involve a vast range of special circumstances. A drug that's life-saving to one person might aggravate a latent condition in another person. Dosages vary based on body chemistry and mass and a host of other factors that I wouldn't be able to name offhand because I'm not a doctor. Drugs that are perfectly innocuous by themselves might combine with something else of a perfectly common nature to form a deadly poison. Etc.
It's a fucking ever-shifting minefield, and there is no way in hell you could adequately address all factors that the user needs to be aware of on a generic label, even assuming that the user has the experience and knowhow to identify those factors. If they were that simple, they'd be sold over the counter. It requires the direct input of one's personal physician to compose a personalized set of instructions. That's what the prescription system is for.
* Cigarette smokers are taking chemotherapy drugs at the first sign of a cough.
* Antibiotics are always sold out, and deadly drug resistant strains of bacteria are running rampant.
* A company is selling glue mixed with koolaid to cure arthritis.Their marketing department spends millions on super bowl ads. They are the number one company in America despite the high mortality rates related to the asbestos in the packaging.
* Opiates are in all medicines, except for the ones with cocaine and heroin.
The bright side, population problems have been solved and the economy is doing much better for the 25% of people that survived the accidental inclusion of a strain of bubonic plague in the worlds most popular "addictive" anti depressant (fortified with nicotine and opiates to make every day a happy day)
* Cigarette smokers are taking chemotherapy drugs at the first sign of a cough.
* Antibiotics are always sold out, and deadly drug resistant strains of bacteria are running rampant.
* A company is selling glue mixed with koolaid to cure arthritis.Their marketing department spends millions on super bowl ads. They are the number one company in America despite the high mortality rates related to the asbestos in the packaging.
* Opiates are in all medicines, except for the ones with cocaine and heroin.
The bright side, population problems have been solved and the economy is doing much better for the 25% of people that survived the accidental inclusion of a strain of bubonic plague in the worlds most popular "addictive" anti depressant (fortified with nicotine and opiates to make every day a happy day)
scylis said:
wow, talk about a great big ball of stupid.
i honestly cannot fathom how you still believe that Free Market will magically make everything better when every last shred of evidence from the past and present involving either a lack or decrease in government regulation involves big businesses doing horrendously shameful things that endangers the lives of employees and consumers, even costing lives, LSlice.
do you honestly believe it is worth the lives of hundreds, if not thousands, of people (or more, potentially) just so businesses don't have to deal with periodic inspections and oversight?
I don't think the free market will magically solve everything.
The question here is philosophy of government. It seems this particular point boils down to pre-emptive, preventative government intervention versus ex-posto facto corrective intervention.
but paul tardius, are you saying our government is preemptive or after the fact? because one would argue that the FDA came about AFTER THE FACT of people dying over a lot of drug and poisoned food misuse.
if you ARE saying the government is after the fact now, then youre arguing for a preemptive government, which means MORE GOVERNMENT.
help me to understand, you wonderful philosopher.
If the government has reason to suspect a crime is being committed, or about to be committed, they can get a warrant and do an investigation. Assuming a company is acting fraudulently before the fact, requiring all companies to prove they are not, is a violation of this principle.
* Cigarette smokers are taking chemotherapy drugs at the first sign of a cough.
* Antibiotics are always sold out, and deadly drug resistant strains of bacteria are running rampant.
* A company is selling glue mixed with koolaid to cure arthritis.Their marketing department spends millions on super bowl ads. They are the number one company in America despite the high mortality rates related to the asbestos in the packaging.
* Opiates are in all medicines, except for the ones with cocaine and heroin.
The bright side, population problems have been solved and the economy is doing much better for the 25% of people that survived the accidental inclusion of a strain of bubonic plague in the worlds most popular "addictive" anti depressant (fortified with nicotine and opiates to make every day a happy day)
Did you miss the whole "fraud" part?
Nope.
Just describing what happens in your world, with or without fraud. The possibility of punishment isn't enough. If you believe otherwise, your naivety might in fact be detrimental to your personal and financial health.
scylis
USA
November 2004
JUN 13, 2008 12:29 PM