NEWS: Mrs. Voorhees Was Decapitated

I just don't see it. I've followed this campaign from the beginning as much any other American, and arguably than most, and early in the campaign everyone just seemed ready to hand the victory to Hillary. Then she lost 11 straight caucuses to Obama and she started to get even more panicked and self-absorbed, and started saying things like "John McCain would make a better president" than Obama.

I watched her speeches. At first I was neutral, and I thought that it was great to have so many good choices for candidates. Then she gradually began to reveal herself to be focused on herself, and not on the issues or the country. Granted this may be due to the fact that people pointed out immense contradictions in what she was saying, and how her voting record conflicted with her claims in the present, and how videos revealed her landing peacefully in Bosnia and receiving flowers from a little girl instead of "under sniper fire" like she claimed. But these are not attacks particular to her.

When people are running for president, they are carefully scrutinized regarding the differences between what they said and what they've done. It is unnecessary to probably even mention all the bullshit said about Obama at this point. Is he a secret Muslim? But his middle name is Hussein! And what about the silly 3 A.M. phone call ad? I don't recall Obama running that kind of campaign. Perhaps there are others in the left that you'd like to show us to confirm your claim that they heaped scorn on her from the very beginning. Take a moment to watch this little clip.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=171106&title=headlines-obama-makes-history

Those clips of pundits giving Hillary the victory in 2006 and 2007? That was scorn?

Furthermore, I apologize for calling you delusional. It's easy to say shit like that when you get caught up in matters that have grown to feel personal to you. These claims that she's been attacked from the beginning were largely what I was referencing in that regard, and early on she wasn't scorned any more than the rest of the candidates (as they all receive heat to a large degree, that being the nature of the beast). Later on in the race, because she revealed herself to be a weaker candidate in both words and actions, past policies, and current policies (see "gas tax holiday") she was "scorned" I suppose by people who were experts on why what she was proposing wouldn't work. Then after she made assassination comments and displayed cyclopean amounts of narcissism (ironic after her claims that Obama was an arrogant elitist) more scorn was heaped on as she continued her race at the detriment of her party. I think by that point it was warranted.

I love Colbert. One of my patients that I have every Monday, Wednesday & Friday watches him while he dialyzes, so as long as no bad things are happening with my other patients (or esewhere in the unit, for that matter), I get to watch it.

I swear most of this misunderstanding is because one of you in Australia has not had the chance to observe in great detail, as we have, the scandalous personal attacks (How about those TV ads in Pennsylvania that said "Obama... Osama..." put out by the Clinton campaign.


I PLEA with you gfvella to comprehend that we've seen things you haven't. There is not a great left wing conspiracy against HRC.

p.s. we don't mean to be rude.

And so it begins.

The link below is about the alleged tape that has Michelle Obama saying "whitey." Remember, it need not be true, and probably is not true. Innuendo and a little mainstream media coverage are enough for it to hurt. And this is the tip of the iceberg. We're one day into Obama's nomination. Much worse is coming down the pipeline. I'm sure Larry Sinclair's bogus allegation of coke and gay sex with obama will also get mainstream coverage somehow.

The GOP MUST go PERSONAL because McCain is on the wrong side of most issues. This will be very ugly and its going to devastate support for obama amongst "independents" and republicans (who helped him quite a bit in the primaries) if it gets airtime and it will.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2075159/Michelle,-the-asset-to-Barack-Obama-that-may-become-a-liability.html

Yes This rumor has a thread here already and has been and will be easily put to rest, as she is saying:

"Why'd he..." referring to Bush, not "whitey"

see?
Call out the linguists and speech therapists...

Yawn. Not real. This will only convince people who were already voting for McCain to hate her. Yawn bookend.

Nothing would be worse than the woman who defended a child rapist by attacking the child's mental stability. The Dems dodged a massive bullet by not nominating your hero.

If the american people choose to elect McCain over Obama, then they deserve what they get! Another 4 years of policies which mirror Bush policy will further weaken our country. Obama is the way to go. Pissed off femi-nazis can cry all they want about how their Fuhrer has been vanquished, but that devil bitch needs to come around and do what is best for the party and ultimately what is best for the country! She actually requested for Obama to offer her the VP spot in public so she can refuse it and also asked them to not offer it to another woman at all. How is that empowering to women? She's going for her own personal power hunger. She does not give a fuuuuuuck about women and their struggles in this chauvinist society. Don't believe the hype.

-Cthulhu

It's over. Time to lose the anger.

Its not about real (swift boaters real?) its about what people believe and how many times they hear it and who says it. That is the sad truth so the important variable become who covers it, how much and in what way.

If its MSNBC, the wall st. journal (who already mentioned it), ABC, CNN then Obama is in trouble. Obama is in trouble. We are in trouble.

And it is important because non affiliated independents constitute a large voting block in most states. McCain has a very strong standing with this block already. Obama's position, in the polls i read, has been slipping. Moderate fiscal republicans are also an issue, they are up for grabs.

And then there is the issue of women, hillary voters, and hispanics. Barack supporters, especially the ones in the main stream media, have done a very good job of alienating these people.

Now take some perspective and ask youself this: would the GOP start with their heaviest guns on the very first day of obama's nomination? One generally saves these things until september or october. That this was leaked so early suggests the GOP has a lot of ammunition.

^^RIght. There must be so much more gossip there that other campaigns so far decided not to use

It's going to be a long battle, and what was your point?

They were friends when Obama came to the Senate in 2004.

The divisiveness is primarily between supporters, not the candidates, and it will die down.

Look to see her lead the Senate and congress on health care reform. SHe can do more in the Senate than she can as VP.

Surprisingly, there wasn't any anger in that statement. I guess it's all in how you read it. I feel great, marvelous even.

-Cthulhu

No worries mate, I'm not actually really fussed, but we so often see really interesting debates degenerate. I find the passions that people like yourself and LostLucy being to this debate interesting, which is why I was pushing the topic.

I suppose one reason for this is that Australians generally find the American Kennedy complex somewhat hard to believe. The old joke is what do you call an honest politician? One who hasn't been caught lying yet. We have the lowest view of our political leaders of any democratic nation so the sort of adulation and hope being placed on Obama is a bit weird. Alternately all the, admittedly true, things being said about Clinton draw a yawn and the response: well yes she is a nasty, lying and conniving bitch; but she's a politician mate, what do you expect?

I'm really not that soft, really I'm not Thank you for the consideration however.

I suppose at the bottom of it I am concerned that the passions roused in the Obama-Clinton primary will be impossible to overcome. I realise the Clinton's ran a vitriolic campaign as the going got tough, but it is also true that a lot of Hilliary's supporters have real issues with Obama and they have to be taken seriously. Like this:

This is the way to loose the next election, so passions have to be cooled like bean says or McCain wins.

When she drops out and endorses him, Obama supporters will also be generous and patient.

Some people may go for McCain for a number of reasons, but they just said on MSNBC that 63% of her voters will go for Obama already, and the rest are undecided or McCain.

It is June. There are 5 months to go until the General Election.

Very much agree. They are professional politicians and know how the game is played. This is a good article on the VP selection issues and why Hilliary would be a bad choice:
Don't choose Clinton: Carter

I love that Carter had the nerve to come out and say it.

Good to see you Democrats are still running with the victim/fear torch.

Surprise.

Link

He should have written a book.

Give it time.

Folks she only suspended. That means that whatever demise Barrack meets before the convention, she only has to flip the switch. The timetable is more more aggressive than I ever suspected. Watcha back O, she's not supporting you at all, just buying time!

Ugh. Give it a rest, please. Obama is going to be the nominee, he's going to be on the ballot in November, and he's probably going to be the next President. If you want to get technical about it, John Edwards never officially ended his campaign. He suspended his just like Hillary has suspended hers. Is he planning to take out Obama as well?

^^^There are many people who say never count a Clinton out. I think she will play this wisely bc she wants to keep and enhance the power she does have, but I believe this is also a valid perspective that should be allowed, if said respectfully.