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gdarklighter

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA
August 2005

JUN 01, 2008 09:33 AM

abbazappa said:
Back in March, 3 companies pulled ads from Ann Coulters website after complaints so it goes both ways.


How the fuck is that going both ways? Ann Coulter is an offensive, bigoted lunatic. Rachel Ray and Dunkin' Donuts didn't do anything wrong; Michelle Malkin was just looking for something to freak out about, and made the biggest logical leap ever.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
But let's be honest, the real problem is that Rachel Ray gets so much publicity when Giada is so much hotter.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

JUN 01, 2008 09:34 AM

Mockingbird said:
As a side note, since I have seen people wearing reproductions of the keffiyeh...

While I definitely don't see that scarf as a terrorist symbol, it irritates the fuck out of me to see people wearing it not knowing what it is.

Wear a scarf LIKE it, but do not put that fucking pattern on your scarf without knowing what the fuck it is. Seriously they should stick fucking tags on it explaining.

I remember like a year ago Urban Outfitters "came out" with that scarf but they had to stop production because people were insulted.

Hey look, it's Fatah chic. Now in hot pink. (Which I have seriously seen.)



Hey but Che Tshirts are all the rage I mean he only killed thousands and nobody really gives half a fuck. smile

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JUN 01, 2008 09:50 AM

yeah, but Che Gavurria, he like... he was, like, a revolutionary. like, he was totally Ron Paul, before they invented Ron Paul. and, like... dude.

Wren

Wren

SUICIDEGIRL

Minnesota, USA

JUN 01, 2008 11:27 AM

Wendy said:
It does carry "some sort of symbolism or political ideology." I'm not sure if I agree with this commercial being pulled or not, but to insinuate that the kaffiyeh doesn't really carry any sort of symbolism is outright foolish. It most certainly does.



Let me make myself clearer, then, because I most certainly agree with you. It didn't carry any symbolism IN THIS CASE. Obviously it most certainly can be symbolic because there are people who wear them for symbolic purposes. I don't think people would have an issue with this commercial if there weren't.

edited to add: apologies for not making my point clearer from the outset, I re-read my post and realized it didn't totally make sense. I certainly don't mean to offend anyone to whom the kaffiyeh does carry significant meaning.

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

JUN 01, 2008 12:07 PM

Colinism said: Hey but Che Tshirts are all the rage I mean he only killed thousands and nobody really gives half a fuck. smile



Che in a kaffiyeh

Skeletone

Skeletone

Lowell, MA
May 2008

JUN 01, 2008 12:15 PM

Yeah, DD sucks for pulling the ad, but anything that means less RR on TV can't be all bad.

Salome

Salome

SUICIDEGIRL

Illinois, USA

JUN 01, 2008 12:16 PM

Wren said:

Wendy said:
It does carry "some sort of symbolism or political ideology." I'm not sure if I agree with this commercial being pulled or not, but to insinuate that the kaffiyeh doesn't really carry any sort of symbolism is outright foolish. It most certainly does.



Let me make myself clearer, then, because I most certainly agree with you. It didn't carry any symbolism IN THIS CASE. Obviously it most certainly can be symbolic because there are people who wear them for symbolic purposes. I don't think people would have an issue with this commercial if there weren't.

edited to add: apologies for not making my point clearer from the outset, I re-read my post and realized it didn't totally make sense. I certainly don't mean to offend anyone to whom the kaffiyeh does carry significant meaning.



Agreed with Wren. I'm disgusted that so much of America seems to think anything vaguely Arab = terrorism. I'm even more disgusted that DD didn't have the will to educate or confront the ignorant racists screaming for the ad's removal.

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

JUN 01, 2008 12:31 PM

I wish I had a photo of the streets of NYC in the late 80's as everyone and their mother and their dog wore kaffiyeh's, though most were just doing so as slaves to Fashion

This ignorance eminds me of "Freedom Fries" surreal

abbazappa

abbazappa

Los Osos, CA
June 2006

JUN 01, 2008 02:02 PM

gdarklighter said:

abbazappa said:
Back in March, 3 companies pulled ads from Ann Coulters website after complaints so it goes both ways.


How the fuck is that going both ways? Ann Coulter is an offensive, bigoted lunatic. Rachel Ray and Dunkin' Donuts didn't do anything wrong; Michelle Malkin was just looking for something to freak out about, and made the biggest logical leap ever.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
But let's be honest, the real problem is that Rachel Ray gets so much publicity when Giada is so much hotter.


Aaah, but that is your perspective, to other peoples perspective Ann Coulter did nothing wrong but Dunkin' Donuts did. Any ways the marketing team should have done better research to make sure no one could see any symbolisms. Does any one else remember the Nike Air logo incident?

Artistic rendition of the word "Air"

Allah written in Arabic.

RudieCantFail

RudieCantFail

Intercourse, PA
January 2006

JUN 01, 2008 02:10 PM

scylis said:

hk85 said:
Krispy Kreme>Dunkin Donuts



fuck yes.

little known fact: there is no Krispy Kreme in Alaska. people will fly fresh Krispy Kreme donuts up here to sell them for fundraisers. and they make a killing.

also, i'd do Rachel Ray. with scarf on.



Sorry, no Dunkin Donuts > Krispy Kreme. Glazed and chocolate are the only types Krispy Kreme has, and they can't even get that limited selection right.

How I long for the days when I lived where I could get one of a hundred different varieties of delicious Dunkin Donuts.

motorfirebox

motorfirebox

Pittsburgh, PA
March 2004

JUN 01, 2008 02:14 PM

eh. eliminating ignorance is always a worthwhile pursuit, but there's a point at which a scarf is just a scarf. i mean, raise your hand if you can tell me the significance of a black-and-white keffiyeh versus a red-and-white keffiyeh without looking it up online. until yesterday--when i looked it up online--i couldn't have. hell, raise your hand if you knew to call it a "keffiyeh" instead of a "scarf", before this article came out.

the kaffiyeh has significance because it's used as a symbol of various Palestinian causes. however, it's also significant because people think it looks cool. if i wear a black beret, it's not necessarily in support of any of the various militaries whose troops are issued black berets. if i wear an earring in my left ear (or my right, depending on who you ask), it isn't necessarily an advertisement of my homosexuality. if i wear a Che t-shirt, it doesn't necessarily mean i have the first clue who Che Guevara is. to many people these articles of clothing are symbolic of their cause. but that doesn't make these articles of clothing universally symbolic of any cause.

in conclusion, Michelle Malkin is brainless eye candy, and should be treated as such. i like to think of her as a hot, asian Paris Hilton.

Spiffy

Spiffy

Edmonton, AB
March 2007

JUN 01, 2008 04:33 PM

CaptainTripps said:
Yeah, DD sucks for pulling the ad, but anything that means less RR on TV can't be all bad.



Agreed.

felony187

felony187

Denver, CO
June 2007

JUN 01, 2008 09:26 PM

This only proves how pathetic the talking turds like malkin and limpaw actually are. Of course I'm preaching to the choir here! Maybe someone can convince these dumbfucks that burberry is actually connected with the Barbary pirates that were raiding American ships in the early 1800's shortly after our great nation was formed. And that these pirates were of course followers of Islam so all people who buy burberry support terrorism and they of course must die!!! Maybe if only for buying overpriced CRAP!!!!
And the donuts from both KK and dd suck, Lamar's donuts rock. They are cake style donuts thick and oh so tasty, not fried air and glaze.

Hussein

Hussein

I'm lost
March 2004

JUN 02, 2008 10:02 AM

abbazappa said:
Does any one else remember the Nike Air logo incident?

Artistic rendition of the word "Air"

Allah written in Arabic.



I don't remember that incident, but that logo has only the vaguest resemblance to the Arabic inscription. That isn't a matter of "perspective"--the two look nothing alike. I presume that Nike pulled the design nonetheless? If so, it's just another example of stupidity.

Mockingbird

Mockingbird

Chicago, IL
January 2006

JUN 02, 2008 10:56 AM

Colinism said:

Hey but Che Tshirts are all the rage I mean he only killed thousands and nobody really gives half a fuck. smile



I dooooo. I never wore one of those shirts but it always irritated me that half the people who wear them know little about him. Then I found out that despite being a revolutionary, he essentially still said women's place was in the kitchen to feed hungry guerrillas.

Yeah, no. Now he holds no interest to me.

willam9

willam9

Philadelphia, PA
January 2008

JUN 02, 2008 10:59 AM

abbazappa said:
Aaah, but that is your perspective, to other peoples perspective Ann Coulter did nothing wrong but Dunkin' Donuts did.



yeah, other people who's perspective is hateful, myopic and self-serving...

scylis

scylis

Seattle, WA
November 2004

JUN 02, 2008 01:31 PM

RudieCantFail said:

scylis said:

hk85 said:
Krispy Kreme>Dunkin Donuts



fuck yes.

little known fact: there is no Krispy Kreme in Alaska. people will fly fresh Krispy Kreme donuts up here to sell them for fundraisers. and they make a killing.

also, i'd do Rachel Ray. with scarf on.



Sorry, no Dunkin Donuts > Krispy Kreme. Glazed and chocolate are the only types Krispy Kreme has, and they can't even get that limited selection right.

How I long for the days when I lived where I could get one of a hundred different varieties of delicious Dunkin Donuts.



even day old glazed Krispy Kreme is better than any Dunkin' Donuts i've had. maybe you're lucky and found a competent DDs, but what i've had has only been slightly better than the local Safeway's donuts. and that's chiefly because they actually put motherfucking cream/custard into their filled donuts!

*shakes fist at Safeway and their non-filled long-johns*

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JUN 02, 2008 02:15 PM

Mockingbird said:

Colinism said:

Hey but Che Tshirts are all the rage I mean he only killed thousands and nobody really gives half a fuck. smile



I dooooo. I never wore one of those shirts but it always irritated me that half the people who wear them know little about him. Then I found out that despite being a revolutionary, he essentially still said women's place was in the kitchen to feed hungry guerrillas.

Yeah, no. Now he holds no interest to me.


Let me first state that I'm not arguing that you should support Che Guevara, but just that your opinion should at least be grounded in relevant facts. Now that that's out of the way...

By your logic, nobody of any historical significance would have any redeeming characteristics or should hold our interest, since all sorts of social attitudes that we consider abhorrent were commonly held by reasonable (even, in many cases, admirable) people. Guevara died before the idea of feminine career independence (ie. having a place other than in the kitchen) began gaining traction in the US, let alone in Central and South America.

He was a pivotal and influential figure in the history of the 20th century. If you dislike him, dislike him because of the causes he fought for and the way he fought for them, not because of some casual attitudes that were prevalent even amongst many progressive thinkers of the time. Regardless of whether you admire him or detest him, when people say they aren't interested in people like Guevara, it worries me for our future.

wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

JUN 02, 2008 02:33 PM

adam_vincent said:
Apparently all san francisco hipsters are now terrorists. awesome.



Duh, that's just common knowledge. wink

Mockingbird

Mockingbird

Chicago, IL
January 2006

JUN 02, 2008 03:37 PM

bean said:
Let me first state that I'm not arguing that you should support Che Guevara, but just that your opinion should at least be grounded in relevant facts. Now that that's out of the way...

By your logic, nobody of any historical significance would have any redeeming characteristics or should hold our interest, since all sorts of social attitudes that we consider abhorrent were commonly held by reasonable (even, in many cases, admirable) people. Guevara died before the idea of feminine career independence (ie. having a place other than in the kitchen) began gaining traction in the US, let alone in Central and South America.

He was a pivotal and influential figure in the history of the 20th century. If you dislike him, dislike him because of the causes he fought for and the way he fought for them, not because of some casual attitudes that were prevalent even amongst many progressive thinkers of the time. Regardless of whether you admire him or detest him, when people say they aren't interested in people like Guevara, it worries me for our future.



I find the history interesting, especially of South America generally, but I don't hold him in the high regard many do, that's all. History is always interesting/important. I just don't drool over the thought of learning about him.

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