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SarahFlower

SarahFlower

USA
September 2007

MAR 27, 2008 12:46 PM

I say legalise it. But I guess that would make too much sense.

BellyJack

BellyJack

I'm lost
May 2005

MAR 27, 2008 08:12 PM

fountainofdreams said:

BellyJack said:
Don't know about meth, but the US military still supplies Dexedrine to Air Force personnel during long duration flights, and made this and other stimulants available to our troops since at least WWII for just about the same reasons as the Germans.

Defense Tech has an interesting article on BZ (aka "Buzz", aka 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate), which is an extremely powerful incapacitating agent with a whole range of activity including severe hallucinations, dry mouth, flushing, and increased heart rate typical of anticholinergics (think - Jimson weed on steroids) except it has a relatively low toxicity, can be delivered in aerosol form, and is virtually undetectable.

This is some bad-ass stuff, especially since there is evidence those affected by it can share the same illusions.



I could swear I remember reading an article about the US government testing out giving soldiers MDMA. I can't remember the validity or context of the article though.



It is impossible to be certain since much of the paper trail was ordered destroyed in 1973 by CIA chief Richard Helms, but the US government apparently had an extensive program called MK Ultra, and they likely would have been involved in such shenanigans.

The military did experiment with MDMA's close cousin MDA using the designation "EA-1298", so it wouldn't surprise me if MDMA wasn't tested as well.

Merry Prankster Ken Kesey, author of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, volunteered for MKULTRA experiments while a student at Stanford University. Kesey's ingestion of LSD during these experiments led directly to his widespread promotion of the drug and the subsequent development of hippie culture.



As related in the Wikipedia reference above I've always found this bit of recursive karma a particularly humorous tidbit of societal jujitsu.

IrFu

IrFu

Loxley, AL
December 2006

MAR 28, 2008 06:09 AM

livertarian said:
Our drug laws are both immoral and illogical. I think that was the point of this article. What was your point again? Everything is cool? Fuck innocent people with addictions? Screw people who just like to get high after work? What was your stance on alcohol, by the way?

I am fine with dissent, but your flip dismissal of a thoughtful argument makes me want to to expose you as a hypocrite.



Illogical sometimes, I agree, but immoral?? I chose not to make an argument because (1) I've learned FTR is never wrong and (2) people who make this "legalize it" argument never consider the subject through the eyes of families hurt by drugs.

Yes, the laws are fine as they are; I care about people with addictions, but legalizing anything doesn't help; yes, I don't care about people who just want to get high after work. I don't drink alcohol, I think its a horrible drug, and I think the country would be better off if it was able to be kept illegal. However, like this pot issue, I realize the laws are what they are, and the people want it this way. I will always make an argument for why alcohol is bad, but you'll never see me wasting time in Washington to change the law - like Mr. Barney Frank.

IrFu

IrFu

Loxley, AL
December 2006

MAR 28, 2008 06:23 AM

FearTheReaper said:
Thanks, ALCOHOL was a great comparison. I can only assume you believe alcohol should be illegal, due to the above retarded comment.



Are we still doing the name calling thing, FTR?? I don't drink, I think if the country was successful in prohibition, back in the day, I think we'd be better for it. But since not, I see no point in changing the law.

FearTheReaper
I have no interest in sustaining a "logical argument" with a someone who actually is pathetic enough to use the "love it or leave it" cliche. You < Me.



FTR, you're no better than I with your "they're going to do it anyway" cliche. Thats not only illogical, its immature, I know high schoolers who make that type of argument.

FearTheReaper
Sorry, I made an assumption based on your stupid arguments.



Sounds like the same mistake I made assuming you used pot based on your sophomoric argument.

IrFu

IrFu

Loxley, AL
December 2006

MAR 28, 2008 06:26 AM

IrFu said:

FearTheReaper said:
Thanks, ALCOHOL was a great comparison. I can only assume you believe alcohol should be illegal, due to the above retarded comment.



Are we still doing the name calling thing, FTR?? I don't drink, I think if the country was successful in prohibition, back in the day, I think we'd be better for it. But since not, I see no point in changing the law.

FearTheReaper
I have no interest in sustaining a "logical argument" with a someone who actually is pathetic enough to use the "love it or leave it" cliche. You < Me.



FTR, you're no better than I with your "they're going to do it anyway" cliche. Thats not only illogical, its immature, I know high schoolers who make that same type of argument.

FearTheReaper
Sorry, I made an assumption based on your stupid arguments.



Sounds like the same mistake I made assuming you used pot based on your sophomoric argument.



Calypso

Calypso

SUICIDEGIRL

California, USA

MAR 29, 2008 07:16 PM

Ah, fuck. I have to be honest and say that I don't believe this is a topic that will ever see a resolution.

I, myself, am I noob. I started smoking 2-3 months ago, and it certainly wasn't the big deal that I made it out to be. It's served wonderfully as a pain killer, a relaxant, and, um, a "mood enhancer." I get outrageously horny when I smoke.

Despite the fact that I'm new to pot, I've always been an advocate for legalization. Even as a child, it never made sense to me that something safe and natural should be outlawed.

It's funny to think that in our ever-so-progressive America, a law that sprung from racism still holds sway.

bigherm420

bigherm420

Philadelphia, PA
March 2008

MAR 31, 2008 01:23 PM

Police arrested a record 829,625 persons for marijuana violations in 2006....
I feel you on that one.... i was one of those arrested in '06... a bullshit charge by some suburban cops with nothing better to do... i might also mention that while the 4 cops and 1 dog it took to take down a hardened criminal like myself a local clerk was shot and robbed... i know this because unlike the supercops that arrested me i was paying attention to the police scanner...
enough is enough... it's time for some reform in this great land of ours...

Jack_Straw

Jack_Straw

Fairbanks, AK
December 2004

MAR 31, 2008 05:54 PM

Cash said:
I'm for legalizing anything in its natural state. I think it's completely moronic that I can smoke a tobacco plant but not a marijuana plant. I can chew mint leaves but not cocoa leaves.



Growing your own tobacco is ALSO illegal in the US. Big business affecting our rights? go figure

georgiah

georgiah

Tupelo, MS
March 2006

APR 01, 2008 12:58 AM

yeah, the whole Schedule I thing is completely ridiculous. People get way more f'd up on a bunch of, say, Xanax bars and have far more chance of hurting themselves or others, in my opinion. People walk in to the Pharmacy (where I work) and can't even count out bills they are so gone on their Valium, Xanax, or what have you.
Yeah, pot makes you a little loopy, but at least folks on pot are usually pretty chill.
Not to mention freakin' adderall and oxycodone are only a Schedule II. I have tried some things and I can say that there are a lot of other things than pot that could get me way more gone.
And yeah, pot and cocaine in the same category... Anyone with half a brain should know that is some completely dumb shit!

Oh, just a tidbit... Marinol is actually only a schedule... four, I believe. Could be a three, but i KNOW it's not a two...
Go figure...

livertarian

livertarian

Fairfax, VA
February 2008

APR 01, 2008 10:53 AM

coyotemike said:
Wow. This thread has really made it easy to tell who is toking up just on occasion and who has made it part of their daily schedule. Amazing tongue



It's just a daily scheduled occasion for me.

jessferfun

jessferfun

San Francisco, CA
May 2003

APR 01, 2008 11:10 AM

FUCK Richard Nixon. for creating the DEA and for classifying ganja at the top of the dangerous drug list. Richard, you were a paranoid insecure cocksucker. we hated you because you were a horribly corrupt lying president (*cough-Bush!), not because we were smoking herb. Rest in Hell. mad

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