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Coyotemike

USA

May 2006

APR 23, 2008 07:38 PM

Bill_the_Cat said:
As I card carrying member of the Green Party of Canada I have to admit that there's very little that irritates me more than this so-called 'strategic voting'. I don't know how many people in past elections have told me "I really like the Green platform. I'd vote for them, but I'd rather vote Liberal and keep the Tories out of office." I don't know about you, but I'd rather raise my voice and cast my ballot in favour of the changes I want to see rather than against the status quo I don't. That right there is what's wrong with the party system in general, no matter how many parties there are. Adversarial politics rarely arrives at a satisfactory compromise for anybody.

Let all other Libertarians and 3rd party folks take note: THIS is the sort of conversation about various political ideas we can take serious, and will respond to with respect. Calling us sheep, calling us idiots, saying we can't think for ourselves . . . nobody is going to respect you that way.

Just sayin'.

Dammit! I was hoping to make this descend into a bout of angry name-calling. I had some great insults all ready too. Ah well. I guess I'll continue to respect the validity of your opinion, and your right to it.

Crap.

Bitch.

Bill_the_Cat

Vanier, ON

May 2005

APR 23, 2008 07:41 PM

coyotemike said:

Bill_the_Cat said:

coyotemike said:

Bill_the_Cat said:
As I card carrying member of the Green Party of Canada I have to admit that there's very little that irritates me more than this so-called 'strategic voting'. I don't know how many people in past elections have told me "I really like the Green platform. I'd vote for them, but I'd rather vote Liberal and keep the Tories out of office." I don't know about you, but I'd rather raise my voice and cast my ballot in favour of the changes I want to see rather than against the status quo I don't. That right there is what's wrong with the party system in general, no matter how many parties there are. Adversarial politics rarely arrives at a satisfactory compromise for anybody.

Let all other Libertarians and 3rd party folks take note: THIS is the sort of conversation about various political ideas we can take serious, and will respond to with respect. Calling us sheep, calling us idiots, saying we can't think for ourselves . . . nobody is going to respect you that way.

Just sayin'.

Dammit! I was hoping to make this descend into a bout of angry name-calling. I had some great insults all ready too. Ah well. I guess I'll continue to respect the validity of your opinion, and your right to it.

Crap.

Bitch.

Ouch!
*cries*

Colinism

Atlanta, GA

July 2005

APR 23, 2008 07:49 PM

She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

Coyotemike

USA

May 2006

APR 23, 2008 07:50 PM

Colinism said:
She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

Were there even enough voters in Penn to put her in the lead?

Havilah

Phoenix, AZ

April 2006

APR 23, 2008 08:09 PM

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:
She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

Were there even enough voters in Penn to put her in the lead?

She's counting the votes in Florida and Michigan to get those numbers.

emotedcreations

Germany

July 2006

APR 23, 2008 08:11 PM

Colinism said:
She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

If you include Michigan she's ahead in the popular vote, but otherwise she's not even if you include Florida. SOURCE

gdarklighter

San Diego, CA

August 2005

APR 24, 2008 12:06 AM

Havilah said:

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:
She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

Were there even enough voters in Penn to put her in the lead?

She's counting the votes in Florida and Michigan to get those numbers.

She's also not counting several caucuses. It's like her own private version of Mad Libs. "I'm ahead in _________ if __________."

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

APR 24, 2008 12:29 AM

gdarklighter said:

Havilah said:

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:
She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

Were there even enough voters in Penn to put her in the lead?

She's counting the votes in Florida and Michigan to get those numbers.

She's also not counting several caucuses. It's like her own private version of Mad Libs. "I'm ahead in _________ if __________."

Right. It's completely insane. To get her lead in the popular vote, they include Florida and Michigan and exclude Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington.

Makes complete sense.

indieandyy

USA

October 2007

APR 24, 2008 02:00 AM

gdarklighter said:

Havilah said:

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:
She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

Were there even enough voters in Penn to put her in the lead?

She's counting the votes in Florida and Michigan to get those numbers.

She's also not counting several caucuses. It's like her own private version of Mad Libs. "I'm ahead in _________ if __________."

oh i LOVE political mad libs!! How else do you think bush comes up with his nonsense speeches with fake or misused words? He just plays mad libs with his old frat buddies around a keg before addressing the nation he so easily fucked up

SergeantPsycho

USA

January 2007

APR 24, 2008 03:12 AM

coyotemike said:

paleface said:
wow you guys are touchy. is there something wrong w/ a third party? electability is an issue and that's because people are afraid of the lies the dems tell them. watch 'an unreasonable man." i just feel like greens and libertarians represent my views and probably your views more than the typical democrat or republican. baa baa baa.

And you'd be wrong. Very few people agree with libertarian views. They've been studied and dismissed.

*stumbles into thread*
Hi guys, what's up?

KidMorlock

Indianapolis, IN

October 2003

APR 24, 2008 06:01 AM

indieandyy said:

gdarklighter said:

Havilah said:

coyotemike said:

Colinism said:
She is now claiming she is ahead in the popular vote too.

Were there even enough voters in Penn to put her in the lead?

She's counting the votes in Florida and Michigan to get those numbers.

She's also not counting several caucuses. It's like her own private version of Mad Libs. "I'm ahead in _________ if __________."

oh i LOVE political mad libs!! How else do you think bush comes up with his nonsense speeches with fake or misused words? He just plays mad libs with his old frat buddies around a keg before addressing the nation he so easily fucked up

Bush doesn't understand mad libs. He sees the long lines and thinks that is where he is supposed to pause.

kthxbi

Gulf Breeze, FL

November 2006

APR 24, 2008 10:13 AM

FearTheReaper said:
She will be humiliated in NC.

29 NC state legislators and 43 NC Mayors endorse Obama; Hillary is going to be taken to the woodshed in NC.

ChipQuigley

Clyde, NC

November 2007

APR 25, 2008 12:51 PM

Everything Hillary does absolutely reeks of "shameless political puppeteer whose only goal is to sit in the same office my husband did."

Does anyone else think that all of this politicking aside, she would be the most corrupt individual outside of a big oil employee to sit as President for the past 100 years?

Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but my point remains the same. I'm glad she's getting beaten. She's showing the country what a sore loser she is, and what a bad president she WOULD be.

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

APR 25, 2008 01:04 PM

ChipQuigley said:
Does anyone else think that all of this politicking aside, she would be the most corrupt individual outside of a big oil employee to sit as President for the past 100 years?

Okay, maybe I'm exaggerating a little, but my point remains the same. I'm glad she's getting beaten. She's showing the country what a sore loser she is, and what a bad president she WOULD be.

I don't think she'd be nearly that bad. She would be more of the Democratic status quo. That is, she'd bring with her a raft of good ideas, watered down by ties to lobbyists and special interests, and she'd get a few good things done, but nothing tremendous. Contrast that with McCain, who'd bring a slew of terrible ideas that would benefit nobody but the wealthy and well-connected. He'd also find it difficult to get much accomplished, but what he'd be trying to accomplish would be bad, and he'd get in the way of any Congressional efforts to pass any legislation that benefitted working class Americans and ordinary people.

I don't think she'd be great, but lets not forget that she's not the worst of the candidates still in the running, and couldn't surpass the corruptness of the current administration if she tried.

Such exaggerations don't serve the public good, and could hurt us all in the long run.

SergeantPsycho

USA

January 2007

APR 25, 2008 02:32 PM

s5

STAFF

San Francisco, CA

APR 25, 2008 02:33 PM

bean said:
I don't think she'd be great, but lets not forget that she's not the worst of the candidates still in the running, and couldn't surpass the corruptness of the current administration if she tried.

But, she would be perceived as the most corrupt president ever, surpassing Bush and Nixon, as the right wing noise machine picked apart her every move and misstep. The press would rediscover its "watchdog" role that it had ignored during the Bush years, and dutifully amplify every right wing talking point about every perceived corruption, however slight or baseless. Progressives would be left to defend her, which would in effect recast past crimes from the Bush administration as "partisan squabbling" rather than genuine abuse of the country's framework.

It would, in short, be a nightmare.

minimalism

Argentina

OLD SKOOL

APR 25, 2008 02:59 PM

s5 said:

bean said:
I don't think she'd be great, but lets not forget that she's not the worst of the candidates still in the running, and couldn't surpass the corruptness of the current administration if she tried.

But, she would be perceived as the most corrupt president ever, surpassing Bush and Nixon, as the right wing noise machine picked apart her every move and misstep. The press would rediscover its "watchdog" role that it had ignored during the Bush years, and dutifully amplify every right wing talking point about every perceived corruption, however slight or baseless. Progressives would be left to defend her, which would in effect recast past crimes from the Bush administration as "partisan squabbling" rather than genuine abuse of the country's framework.

It would, in short, be a nightmare.

I'd like to use the word "quagmire."

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

APR 25, 2008 02:59 PM

minimalism said:
I'd like to use the word "quagmire."

Go ahead.

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

APR 25, 2008 03:07 PM

s5 said:

bean said:
I don't think she'd be great, but lets not forget that she's not the worst of the candidates still in the running, and couldn't surpass the corruptness of the current administration if she tried.

But, she would be perceived as the most corrupt president ever, surpassing Bush and Nixon, as the right wing noise machine picked apart her every move and misstep. The press would rediscover its "watchdog" role that it had ignored during the Bush years, and dutifully amplify every right wing talking point about every perceived corruption, however slight or baseless. Progressives would be left to defend her, which would in effect recast past crimes from the Bush administration as "partisan squabbling" rather than genuine abuse of the country's framework.

It would, in short, be a nightmare.

True enough.

SergeantPsycho

USA

January 2007

APR 25, 2008 04:41 PM

bean said:
get in the way of any Congressional efforts to pass any legislation that benefitted working class Americans and ordinary people.

Like Tax Reform?

Also, what the hell is up with this board? My comments keep getting put up as blank (which some might argue fits well with the intellectual content there in)

SockPuppet

I'm lost

July 2006

APR 25, 2008 06:03 PM

s5 said:

bean said:
I don't think she'd be great, but lets not forget that she's not the worst of the candidates still in the running, and couldn't surpass the corruptness of the current administration if she tried.

But, she would be perceived as the most corrupt president ever, surpassing Bush and Nixon, as the right wing noise machine picked apart her every move and misstep. The press would rediscover its "watchdog" role that it had ignored during the Bush years, and dutifully amplify every right wing talking point about every perceived corruption, however slight or baseless. Progressives would be left to defend her, which would in effect recast past crimes from the Bush administration as "partisan squabbling" rather than genuine abuse of the country's framework.

It would, in short, be a nightmare.

Without wanting to defend HRC, will Obama fare any better?

Coyotemike

USA

May 2006

APR 25, 2008 06:05 PM

SockPuppet said:

s5 said:

bean said:
I don't think she'd be great, but lets not forget that she's not the worst of the candidates still in the running, and couldn't surpass the corruptness of the current administration if she tried.

But, she would be perceived as the most corrupt president ever, surpassing Bush and Nixon, as the right wing noise machine picked apart her every move and misstep. The press would rediscover its "watchdog" role that it had ignored during the Bush years, and dutifully amplify every right wing talking point about every perceived corruption, however slight or baseless. Progressives would be left to defend her, which would in effect recast past crimes from the Bush administration as "partisan squabbling" rather than genuine abuse of the country's framework.

It would, in short, be a nightmare.

Without wanting to defend HRC, will Obama fare any better?

He doesn't have the history for the right-wing to tear apart. Obama's clean.

TheFuckOffKid

NEWSWIRE

Australia

APR 25, 2008 06:06 PM

SockPuppet said:
Without wanting to defend HRC, will Obama fare any better?

I think her baggage is seriously worse.

Which is to say, the attack tactics won't necessarily be that much different, but they're less likely to work against him. He's much more of a cleanskin. She has a LOT of people prepared to think the worst of her.

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