UpTight said:
Well just take the first 30 seconds for example.
"who cares about what a poor black man, has to face every day in a country and a culture controlled by rich white people"
Because it's white people who are to blame for the black man's poverty? Great. Even if it was that simple, he isn't exactly inspiring anything but anger, here.
I'm officially not reading anything you write ever again. What makes you think he's blaming white people for the poverty of a black man rather than discussing the relative insignificance of a black man's narrative in the context of a rich white society? You're fucking jumping to conclusions and it's demonstrative of your logic in general. It's fucking old and wreaks of trollism, either that or you need to brush up on the English language and all of its nuance. Everything isn't black and white.
I'm not even sure why I bothered responding to you. It's clear by SG's renewing your membership that you serve no purpose than to stir the pot. My suggestion to SG is to get back to the multiple daily news posts. This blatant reliance on trolls to keep up posting is annoying at best and manipulative at worst.
Saraah said:
Um. Pretty repugnant. He spends the entire time talking about how much Obama has suffered and Hillary hasn't. He essentially creates the exact same race/gender dichotomy that Ferraro was spouting.
I love the part where he says (yells) HILLARY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE A BLACK BOY RAISED BY A SINGLE MOTHER!!!!
Neglecting to mention, of course, that the single mother in question is white.
Why does it matter what race his mother was? The fact is that he was a black boy raised by a single mother, and the reverend's point is that that situation carries with it a certain set of experiences and (whether or not you agree with that point) Hillary does not share that situation, or those experiences. The race of Obama's mother might be relevant if Hillary had, at any point in her life, been a single mother.
I see your point. But I don't concede it. It matters because he is directly comparing Obama's experience to Hillary's, and he's not doing it in a "hey, we all have our own experiences and they are all equally valid" kind of way. He is using Hillary as a cipher for "white people". which is weird, because he also seems to be using Hillary as an example of white MEN.
Hillary has never had her people defined as non-persons. Hillary ain't had to work twice as hard just to get accepted by the rich white folk who run everything, or to get a passing grade when you know you are smarter than that C-student sitting in the White House.
Really? I kinda bet she has. Like I said, he is creating a false dichotomy between the black experience and the white experience, by leaving out the million other dynamic, important facets of identity. Gender being a big one, but there are plenty of others.
So the fact that Obama's mother is white matters in the context of his "argument" because he is creating a divide between the black and white experience, and lending value to one over the other. And (to me at least) using a mixed-race candidate as your poster boy is really odd. So, yeah, that's why I think it matters. Obama's background (and race) should actually be the basis for INCLUSIVE, not divisive, racial rhetoric.
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TheRedBaron
Cambridge, MA
November 2003
MAR 13, 2008 05:21 PM
Bastardo said:
I think Obama's a closet atheist personally.
SSsshh shh shut up, man. So do I. So do a lot of us. But fucking lips SEALED until he wins.
So preachers can talk about non-believers burning in hell for eternity all they want, but the second they start looking at real-world problems like injustice, people call it hate speech?
Black people don't really have to do a whole hell of a lot to be scary, Shalome.
If this thread is any indication, they don't have to do anything. All that is important is what white people think they might be thinking.
We comin' fo yo wimins!
I knew I should have voted for Ron Paul.
Brother Paul was tryin' ta tell y'all somethin', but noooooooooooooooooooo. When are you people going to learn to properly look after your own interests?
Black people don't really have to do a whole hell of a lot to be scary, Shalome.
If this thread is any indication, they don't have to do anything. All that is important is what white people think they might be thinking.
We comin' fo yo wimins!
I knew I should have voted for Ron Paul.
Brother Paul was tryin' ta tell y'all somethin', but noooooooooooooooooooo. When are you people going to learn to properly look after your own interests?
I do find it a little funny that a British national is trying to tell us that the 60-year-old black preacher is racist. You have little to no practical knowledge concerning the social climate in this country. The best part though, is the fact that I, a middle class white man, feel under served by rich white men as well.
coyotemike said: Yes, he is heavy-handed on the race card, but that's just a style of preaching.
Okay folks. If this is the cultural norm that you guys seem to think it is, then it's unfair of me to single out this guy and I apologise.
But it's still nasty and evil to use a religious premise turn people against each other.
Every now and then America still has the capacity to shock me. I guess the last time my jaw dropped like this was when Jerry Springer made his debut on UK screens.
Strange how you love George Bush, considering all of the things his horrible religious buddies have said.
smithers_jones said:
If this thread is any indication, they don't have to do anything. All that is important is what white people think they might be thinking.
We comin' fo yo wimins!
Seriously. You need to be here to find one SuicideBoy and check out the Cooking group. And that's it.
What part of "scary" and "comin' fo yo wimins" don't you understand?! Gah!
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Don't make me put my hands on my hips; that's when the real trouble starts.
emotedcreations
Germany
July 2006
MAR 13, 2008 05:15 PM