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malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

FEB 23, 2008 06:13 PM

Just to point out one thing that's been bugging me - the "one third of the border" figure is for the original planned length of fence. They're only building about half that, so this fence will "protect" no more than a sixth of the US-Mexico border.

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

FEB 23, 2008 06:23 PM

But there will also be a virtual fence

A 28-mile "virtual fence" that will use radar and surveillance cameras to try to catch people entering the country illegally has gotten final government approval.



The virtual fence system includes 98-foot unmanned surveillance towers that are equipped with an array of sophisticated technology, including radar, sensors, and cameras capable of distinguishing people from cattle at a distance of about 10 miles. The cameras are powerful enough to tell group sizes and whether people are carrying backpacks, which could contain weapons or drugs.




The second place idea was to put up an Invisible Fence but the non-US citizens of world refused to wear the collar.

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 23, 2008 08:51 PM

boombands said:
So about this whole "it's okay if they're legal." crap that you're spewing. I think anyone who says this should have to go work in mexico and attempt to make the money that would be needed to move here legally.

This fence is completely overlooking the problem. The problem isn't illegal immigrants, the problem that needs to be focused on is why we have illegal immigrants, and that's because Mexico has been fucked over. We need to do something about that first before we go and fuck over our own people to keep the mexicans out.



I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

FEB 24, 2008 03:42 PM

martinj_b52 said:

boombands said:
So about this whole "it's okay if they're legal." crap that you're spewing. I think anyone who says this should have to go work in mexico and attempt to make the money that would be needed to move here legally.

This fence is completely overlooking the problem. The problem isn't illegal immigrants, the problem that needs to be focused on is why we have illegal immigrants, and that's because Mexico has been fucked over. We need to do something about that first before we go and fuck over our own people to keep the mexicans out.



I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)



Monroe Doctrine mean anything to you? Or the School of the Americas?

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 24, 2008 07:23 PM

SockPuppet said:

martinj_b52 said:

boombands said:
So about this whole "it's okay if they're legal." crap that you're spewing. I think anyone who says this should have to go work in mexico and attempt to make the money that would be needed to move here legally.

This fence is completely overlooking the problem. The problem isn't illegal immigrants, the problem that needs to be focused on is why we have illegal immigrants, and that's because Mexico has been fucked over. We need to do something about that first before we go and fuck over our own people to keep the mexicans out.



I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)



Monroe Doctrine mean anything to you? Or the School of the Americas?



Or "Latin America" for that point. He's got an Argentine, a Venesuelan, a Cuban, and a Nicarauguan all grouped together. Someone needs to hand this troll an atlas. And I apologize if I misspelled any of those.

littlefoot

littlefoot

I'm lost
January 2006

FEB 24, 2008 07:43 PM

Time to buy guns people. Everyone is bitching about how fucked up our government is and all the shit it does to OUR OWN PEOPLE, but no one sees that the system is to corrupt to change. Or you do see it but are to afraid to admit what it will take to restore a decent government. Quit bitching and get training, or continue to be shit on.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 24, 2008 07:52 PM

littlefoot said:
Time to buy guns people. Everyone is bitching about how fucked up our government is and all the shit it does to OUR OWN PEOPLE, but no one sees that the system is to corrupt to change. Or you do see it but are to afraid to admit what it will take to restore a decent government. Quit bitching and get training, or continue to be shit on.



Do you expect anyone on here to take you seriously?

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 25, 2008 06:16 AM

SockPuppet said:

martinj_b52 said:

boombands said:
So about this whole "it's okay if they're legal." crap that you're spewing. I think anyone who says this should have to go work in mexico and attempt to make the money that would be needed to move here legally.

This fence is completely overlooking the problem. The problem isn't illegal immigrants, the problem that needs to be focused on is why we have illegal immigrants, and that's because Mexico has been fucked over. We need to do something about that first before we go and fuck over our own people to keep the mexicans out.



I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)



Monroe Doctrine mean anything to you? Or the School of the Americas?



All they mean to me are other failed attempts to fix something that needs fixing. But realistically, there are extremely few other countries on this planet that enjoy the freedoms, or anything close to the level of freedoms that we, as Americans, enjoy.

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 25, 2008 06:22 AM

coyotemike said:

SockPuppet said:

martinj_b52 said:

boombands said:
So about this whole "it's okay if they're legal." crap that you're spewing. I think anyone who says this should have to go work in mexico and attempt to make the money that would be needed to move here legally.

This fence is completely overlooking the problem. The problem isn't illegal immigrants, the problem that needs to be focused on is why we have illegal immigrants, and that's because Mexico has been fucked over. We need to do something about that first before we go and fuck over our own people to keep the mexicans out.



I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)



Monroe Doctrine mean anything to you? Or the School of the Americas?



Or "Latin America" for that point. He's got an Argentine, a Venesuelan, a Cuban, and a Nicarauguan all grouped together. Someone needs to hand this troll an atlas. And I apologize if I misspelled any of those.



You had me for a second there. Yes, they ARE all Latin American Countries. And at various times, they have ALL been run by tin-horn dictators. ( or leftists, if you prefer).

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 25, 2008 06:25 AM

martinj_b52 said:

coyotemike said:

SockPuppet said:

martinj_b52 said:

boombands said:
So about this whole "it's okay if they're legal." crap that you're spewing. I think anyone who says this should have to go work in mexico and attempt to make the money that would be needed to move here legally.

This fence is completely overlooking the problem. The problem isn't illegal immigrants, the problem that needs to be focused on is why we have illegal immigrants, and that's because Mexico has been fucked over. We need to do something about that first before we go and fuck over our own people to keep the mexicans out.



I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)



Monroe Doctrine mean anything to you? Or the School of the Americas?



Or "Latin America" for that point. He's got an Argentine, a Venesuelan, a Cuban, and a Nicarauguan all grouped together. Someone needs to hand this troll an atlas. And I apologize if I misspelled any of those.



You had me for a second there. Yes, they ARE all Latin American Countries. And at various times, they have ALL been run by tin-horn dictators. ( or leftists, if you prefer).



Fine. You caught me on one. I can admit when I get something wrong.

You should try it sometime.

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 25, 2008 06:27 AM

littlefoot said:
Time to buy guns people. Everyone is bitching about how fucked up our government is and all the shit it does to OUR OWN PEOPLE, but no one sees that the system is to corrupt to change. Or you do see it but are to afraid to admit what it will take to restore a decent government. Quit bitching and get training, or continue to be shit on.



"Every generation needs a new revolution" -Thomas Jefferson.

Just be aware. If you fail, there is a good chance that you will either be imprisoned for life or executed. Seems like your feelings are pretty much what formed the country in the first place.

martinj_b52

martinj_b52

I'm lost
December 2006

FEB 25, 2008 06:30 AM

coyotemike said:

littlefoot said:
Time to buy guns people. Everyone is bitching about how fucked up our government is and all the shit it does to OUR OWN PEOPLE, but no one sees that the system is to corrupt to change. Or you do see it but are to afraid to admit what it will take to restore a decent government. Quit bitching and get training, or continue to be shit on.



Do you expect anyone on here to take you seriously?



As in a previous post, Obviously, Thomas Jefferson did. The largest roadblock for most countries in forming a new, lasting government is first winning the revolution and the war that it usually takes to do it, and then, finding an honest, god-fearing person who really doesnt WANT to be "supreme leader for life" to entrench the political system, as was orginally done here.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

FEB 25, 2008 11:08 AM

surreal

Do the history books in the school system where you grew up have pop-ups, or are they just the ones with the drool-resistant thick press-paper pages?

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

FEB 25, 2008 11:13 AM

martinj_b52 said:
All they mean to me are other failed attempts to fix something that needs fixing. But realistically, there are extremely few other countries on this planet that enjoy the freedoms, or anything close to the level of freedoms that we, as Americans, enjoy.



"Extremely few" is nicely vague. I love the USA, but I would also love to see you try to support this statement. I'm just going to go ahead and rattle off England, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden, Norway and stop there because it's feeling a little silly.

martinj_b52 said:
I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)



Do you believe that E/Rs are actually more busy during full moons? Do you really think Nostradamus was predicting the future? Do you believe in the Torah or Bible code? If you answered "no" to at least one of the preceding, then why do you make the same mistake of percieved pattern recognition (on an arguably racist tack) with Latin American states?

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

FEB 25, 2008 03:10 PM

martinj_b52 said:

boombands said:
So about this whole "it's okay if they're legal." crap that you're spewing. I think anyone who says this should have to go work in mexico and attempt to make the money that would be needed to move here legally.

This fence is completely overlooking the problem. The problem isn't illegal immigrants, the problem that needs to be focused on is why we have illegal immigrants, and that's because Mexico has been fucked over. We need to do something about that first before we go and fuck over our own people to keep the mexicans out.



I would agree that fixing Mexico would be first and foremost. I just havnt figured out nor heard anything practical that would accomplish this. The ingrained corruption of their entire system is extremely common in latin american countries (i.e. Chavez, Fidel, the Perons, Ortega..the list goes on)



The more I read this, the more dishonest it looks. Seriously, you equate corrupted systems with "Left-wing" leaders only? (Not that I consider the Perons to be leftists.) Try to consider that Stroessner, Videla, and Pinochet - among others - were leaders of corrupt, class-ridden, racist, brutal regimes. Does that make any sense to you?

And while we're at it: that would be Daniel Ortega, yes? The leftist who - having lost an election - peacefully withdrew from office?

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 25, 2008 03:29 PM

Toku666 said:
surreal

Do the history books in the school system where you grew up have pop-ups, or are they just the ones with the drool-resistant thick press-paper pages?



Hey, be nice . . . that might be in Senior History class. Ask again in a year or two.

DevilsReject

DevilsReject

Cleveland, OH
February 2007

FEB 25, 2008 03:59 PM

IDGAS said:
But there will also be a virtual fence

A 28-mile "virtual fence" that will use radar and surveillance cameras to try to catch people entering the country illegally has gotten final government approval.



The virtual fence system includes 98-foot unmanned surveillance towers that are equipped with an array of sophisticated technology, including radar, sensors, and cameras capable of distinguishing people from cattle at a distance of about 10 miles. The cameras are powerful enough to tell group sizes and whether people are carrying backpacks, which could contain weapons or drugs.




The second place idea was to put up an Invisible Fence but the non-US citizens of world refused to wear the collar.



is it just me that sees the resemblance??

SPOILERS! (Click to view)


Number 5 is alive!!

SaucisseDanseuse

SaucisseDanseuse

Italy
March 2005

FEB 25, 2008 04:09 PM

DevilsReject said:

Number 5 is alive!! [/SPOILER]



no.... can't you see this whole story is just viral marketing for pixar's new movie, WALL-E?



only kids would believe that a fence one/sixth the lenght of a border, can actually be useful.
it's a mcguffin! smile

campusninja

campusninja

Columbia, MO
January 2007

FEB 25, 2008 04:47 PM

I really can't say I am surprised by the stupid thing our government does anymore. I just hope in 2009 we can finally not be stupid. though I am kinda scared that we won't be.

IDGAS

IDGAS

Jackson Heights, NY
March 2004

FEB 25, 2008 04:59 PM

Toku666 said:

martinj_b52 said:
All they mean to me are other failed attempts to fix something that needs fixing. But realistically, there are extremely few other countries on this planet that enjoy the freedoms, or anything close to the level of freedoms that we, as Americans, enjoy.



"Extremely few" is nicely vague. I love the USA, but I would also love to see you try to support this statement. I'm just going to go ahead and rattle off England, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Germany, Sweden, Norway and stop there because it's feeling a little silly.



Or spend a little time looking at Freedom House and their Map of Freedom 2007

vermicious_knid

vermicious_knid

Shreveport, LA
February 2008

FEB 28, 2008 12:08 PM

abbazappa said:
I am not saying this current plan is a good one but it is a step in the right direction. Our Boarder Guards need more funding and a fence that goes over the entire boarder.


Fuck that man. What we need to do is quit dicking around. There must be consequences for the intruders.

What we need is robots - Insane, autonomous, armed with incredibly sensitive motion detection sensors and machine guns that mow down anything that moves, non-discriminating targeting system, killer fucking robots - like the ones used in the DMZ between North and South Korea. How metal is that ?? <------- Those dudes know how to secure a border.

Then waterboard any survivors until they confess to being Al-Qaeda, since that is what i'd rather be doing anyways !!!!one!!!!11LOL1eleven!1!


puke

Pandamonio

Pandamonio

Chandler, AZ
February 2008

MAR 03, 2008 10:23 AM

Ferretbite said:



this is fucking funny!

Emi

Emi

SUICIDEGIRL

USA

MAR 04, 2008 04:34 AM

i think it's sad that we have to build a FENCE.

MrDeeds

MrDeeds

USA
July 2007

MAR 04, 2008 05:28 AM

haha, you dont know what a vehicle border is. Do you really think they just line vehicle up in a row, useless article.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

MAR 04, 2008 08:47 AM

MrDeeds said:
haha, you dont know what a vehicle border is. Do you really think they just line vehicle up in a row, useless article.



Yup . . . no clue what this means.

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