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crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

FEB 05, 2008 05:15 PM

zoom image

Yikes!

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

FEB 05, 2008 05:16 PM

richkale said:
According to CNN, Tennessee is 75% Clinton, 14% Edwards. What the fuck.


Giuliani had 26% of the vote in NJ.

It's good to vote for someone who ISN'T EVEN RUNNING ANYMORE!

richkale

richkale

Collingswood, NJ
September 2007

FEB 05, 2008 05:16 PM

Nevermind, it's tied at 46. Ill stop checking the site for awhile....

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

FEB 05, 2008 05:20 PM

bald_eagle said:
I was hoping somebody would have a thread like this going tonight. Thanks crispy!


+1

Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

FEB 05, 2008 05:23 PM

Flux said:

richkale said:
According to CNN, Tennessee is 75% Clinton, 14% Edwards. What the fuck.



RACISTS!



My thoughts exactly.

I mean that´s quite a message they´re sending. They´d rather vote for a white guy who dropped out than a black man. Or a woman, for that matter.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 05, 2008 05:23 PM

crispy said:

richkale said:
According to CNN, Tennessee is 75% Clinton, 14% Edwards. What the fuck.


Giuliani had 26% of the vote in NJ.

It's good to vote for someone who ISN'T EVEN RUNNING ANYMORE!



In 2000, Missouri elected a dead man in favor of John Ashcroft. Sometimes, it really is good to vote for someone who isn't even running.

punk

punk

Phoenix, AZ
January 2004

FEB 05, 2008 05:23 PM

Sick said:

punk said:
Please not Clinton, please not Clinton, please not Clinton...

And while we're on the subject, could someone explain to me the whole "closed" primary election idea? People who aren't registered under a certain party can't vote in the primaries. So, my right to vote and choose the leaders of this country only applies after they've been selected for me?



Sure. When you vote in the primary, you're not actually voting for a candidate. You're voting for the number of party delegates the party will send to the national convention in support of that candidate.

(However, in many cases the votes are binding, so if the candidate gets 30% of the party's votes, they get 30% of the delegates, and those delegates have to vote for his nomination. Or the nominee gets all the votes. Depends on the party's rules. It's more or less the same thing as voting for the nominee.)

Since you're participating in a party activity, it makes a certain amount of sense that you would need to belong to that party.

Though many places have open primaries, where anyone can vote. And I'd hazard a guess that many places with closed primaries might allow you to register with the party on the spot.

As for me, since MN uses a caucus system, all this talk of voting results is more or less irrelevant to me. The DFL (MN Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, our strange version of the Democratic Party) caucus poll is binding, but the GOP's poll is not. It's more a recommendation. So we'll know who the DFL supports, but not the GOP.



Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is that since I'm a registered independent, I have no say in who will make the final run for President since I live in a (now) closed primaries state.

Basically, the parties choose who will run, and I get to decide between those two choices in the general election.

I think that's bullshit. Every American should be eligible to make that call from day one, no matter what party they belong to.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 05, 2008 05:24 PM

Nessuno said:

Flux said:

richkale said:
According to CNN, Tennessee is 75% Clinton, 14% Edwards. What the fuck.



RACISTS!



My thoughts exactly.

I mean that´s quite a message they´re sending. They´d rather vote for a white guy who dropped out than a black man. Or a woman, for that matter.


Very early results are likely to change wildly. I'm guessing that was one district of about 100 people being counted.

AngelDevoid

AngelDevoid

USA
January 2008

FEB 05, 2008 05:24 PM

richkale said:
Nevermind, it's tied at 46. Ill stop checking the site for awhile....



Those numbers can fluctuate depending on which precincts come in first. Usually the smallest come in first, the largest last. Rural before urban (except ones that report results over slower modem lines or need disks carried to the County Board of Elections with data). If the state had early voting (allowed people to vote for two weeks or so beforehand), they could have 30-40% of total voting results without having precinct by precinct results.

When news organizations make the call, they make it based on exit polling. They changed the threshold needed for the call after 2000 and again after 2004, but basically it comes down to less than a fraction of 1% that the actual voting numbers are within a small deviation of your poll. If the poll says they are far apart, we get to 1:1,000,000 your sample was bad. You have multiple people parsing the same data at the same time, you increase your odds by one magnitude or so (but not much more than that).

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

FEB 05, 2008 05:27 PM

punk said:
Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is that since I'm a registered independent, I have no say in who will make the final run for President since I live in a (now) closed primaries state.

Basically, the parties choose who will run, and I get to decide between those two choices in the general election.

I think that's bullshit. Every American should be eligible to make that call from day one, no matter what party they belong to.



I could not disagree more vehemently. The candidate being sent to the presidential contest by each party is representing that party. It's nice that some states let independents vote in the party primaries, but saying you should be eligible to is a stretch.

Colinism

Colinism

Atlanta, GA
July 2005

FEB 05, 2008 05:29 PM

bean said:

punk said:
Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is that since I'm a registered independent, I have no say in who will make the final run for President since I live in a (now) closed primaries state.

Basically, the parties choose who will run, and I get to decide between those two choices in the general election.

I think that's bullshit. Every American should be eligible to make that call from day one, no matter what party they belong to.



I could not disagree more vehemently. The candidate being sent to the presidential contest by each party is representing that party. It's nice that some states let independents vote in the party primaries, but saying you should be eligible to is a stretch.



They may be representing that party but if that party is not your party you still have a vested interest in who the other candidate is as you still live in the country they may be leading.

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

FEB 05, 2008 05:30 PM

punk said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

Sick said:

punk said:
Please not Clinton, please not Clinton, please not Clinton...

And while we're on the subject, could someone explain to me the whole "closed" primary election idea? People who aren't registered under a certain party can't vote in the primaries. So, my right to vote and choose the leaders of this country only applies after they've been selected for me?



Sure. When you vote in the primary, you're not actually voting for a candidate. You're voting for the number of party delegates the party will send to the national convention in support of that candidate.

(However, in many cases the votes are binding, so if the candidate gets 30% of the party's votes, they get 30% of the delegates, and those delegates have to vote for his nomination. Or the nominee gets all the votes. Depends on the party's rules. It's more or less the same thing as voting for the nominee.)

Since you're participating in a party activity, it makes a certain amount of sense that you would need to belong to that party.

Though many places have open primaries, where anyone can vote. And I'd hazard a guess that many places with closed primaries might allow you to register with the party on the spot.

As for me, since MN uses a caucus system, all this talk of voting results is more or less irrelevant to me. The DFL (MN Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, our strange version of the Democratic Party) caucus poll is binding, but the GOP's poll is not. It's more a recommendation. So we'll know who the DFL supports, but not the GOP.



Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is that since I'm a registered independent, I have no say in who will make the final run for President since I live in a (now) closed primaries state.

Basically, the parties choose who will run, and I get to decide between those two choices in the general election.

I think that's bullshit. Every American should be eligible to make that call from day one, no matter what party they belong to.



Hey, don't look at me; we have open caucuses, and the Independence Party of Minnesota is considered a major party by the state. They have a caucus. The reason I'm not there now is because they will also be having a virtual caucus online, so I won't have to leave my house.

So, go to your favored third-party primary. Don't listen to the assholes who tell you you're throwing your vote away, and hurting the Democrats, or the Republicans or whatnot. Your vote is your business, in my opinion. You may not have a real effect on the presidential candidates, but you could get your preferred party majority status, and some other good things.

Edit: For the record, the Independence Party of Minnesota is not libertarian, so don't conclude I'm a nutcase. wink

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 05, 2008 05:32 PM



City Attorney Concerned About L.A. Voter Confusion

SUPER TUESDAY

LOS ANGELES (CBS) %u2015 Los Angeles City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo Tuesday issued the following statement in the wake of numerous reports of wide-spread nonpartisan voter confusion over Los Angeles County's "double bubble" voter ballot:

"I have heard numerous reports from voters throughout the City of Los Angeles which point to wide-spread voter confusion over Los Angeles County's so-called 'double-bubble' Decline-to-State non-partisan voter ballot. We understand this ballot is unique to the County of Los Angeles.

"In light of these reports, I am calling upon Secretary of State Debra Bowen and L.A. County Registrar Dean Logan to review the county's unique and potentially confusing ballot design.

"It would be unfortunate if non-partisan voters, confused by the county's unique "double bubble" ballot design, did not have their vote counted.

"I urge the Secretary of State and County Registrar to do everything within their power to ensure that every vote is counted, and to carefully weigh voter intent against this confusing Los Angeles County ballot design.

"Los Angeles' non-partisan voters must not be disenfranchised because of a confusing ballot design."

Los Angeles County voters registered as "nonpartisan/decline to state" but who want to vote for an American Independent or Democratic candidate in the presidential primary must mark the box labeled "Democrat" or "American Independent" at the top of the ballot. Voters began to report Tuesday morning that they did not realize they needed to check the box on the ballot in addition to choosing a corresponding candidate.

Crossover votes will not be counted unless the "Democrat" or "American Independent" box is selected in the party field at the top of the ballot, according to the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder/County Clerk's Office. Voters also need to choose a corresponding candidate.

An estimated 4,000 polling precincts were affected in Los Angeles County.

© 2008 CBS Broadcasting Inc.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

FEB 05, 2008 05:34 PM

GOP

McCain - Connecticut, Illinois, New Jersey, Delaware

Romney - Massachusetts

Huckabee - West Virginia, Arkansas


Dems

Obama - Georgia, Illinois

Clinton - Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

FEB 05, 2008 05:34 PM

Damn, Huckabee is all up this bitch.

sick

sick

Minneapolis, MN
June 2003

FEB 05, 2008 05:36 PM

Colinism said:

bean said:

punk said:
Right, I understand that. What I'm saying is that since I'm a registered independent, I have no say in who will make the final run for President since I live in a (now) closed primaries state.

Basically, the parties choose who will run, and I get to decide between those two choices in the general election.

I think that's bullshit. Every American should be eligible to make that call from day one, no matter what party they belong to.



I could not disagree more vehemently. The candidate being sent to the presidential contest by each party is representing that party. It's nice that some states let independents vote in the party primaries, but saying you should be eligible to is a stretch.



They may be representing that party but if that party is not your party you still have a vested interest in who the other candidate is as you still live in the country they may be leading.



From that, it's not a huge jump to claiming I should be able to vote in the other party's primary, because there's a chance my party's candidate could lose, and in that case I should still have a say in who leads the country.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

FEB 05, 2008 05:36 PM

Oh, and if anyone's wondering, Flyers 2 Thrashers 2

wink

Subrosa

Subrosa

San Francisco, CA
July 2004

FEB 05, 2008 05:38 PM

ckdexterhaven said:
Damn, Huckabee is all up this bitch.



Go Huck! Go Mitt!

jtemperance

jtemperance

Chicago, IL
January 2004

FEB 05, 2008 05:40 PM

How have we made it to the end of page 3 without mentioning Ron Paul?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

FEB 05, 2008 05:42 PM



CNN projecting:

Conn: McCain
Mass: Romney
Ill: McCain and Obama
Okla: Clinton

MSNBC calls New Jersey for McCain.

Fox projects Hillary wins Tennessee.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

FEB 05, 2008 05:42 PM

jtemperance said:
How have we made it to the end of page 3 without mentioning Ron Paul?



Damn you!!! That's like an engraved 'loompa invitation.

crispy

crispy

NEWSWIRE

Philadelphia, PA

FEB 05, 2008 05:42 PM

jtemperance said:
How have we made it to the end of page 3 without mentioning Ron Paul?


Who?

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

FEB 05, 2008 05:43 PM

jtemperance said:
How have we made it to the end of page 3 without mentioning Ron Paul?


Luck?

jtemperance

jtemperance

Chicago, IL
January 2004

FEB 05, 2008 05:45 PM

NPR just called Delaware for McCain

richkale

richkale

Collingswood, NJ
September 2007

FEB 05, 2008 05:45 PM

crispy said:
Oh, and if anyone's wondering, Flyers 2 Thrashers 2

wink



Jesus, any minute now I'm gonna get a call that a family member's in the hospital, and in the next four hours or so we'll find out whether or not the cancer's spread/tumor is malignant/etc.

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