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William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 05:27 PM

PointBlank said:
Big Ben is British.



rhymed.



William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 05:33 PM

eightzeroone said:

ThisWeekInTime said:
Every single website of any consequence that you come across is embedded from top to bottom with SEO content including SG.



Is this sad state of affairs supposed to make me respect search engine spamming?



You just don't understand what it is. It isn't spamming. It is simply writing relevant content for a website and repeating the keyword throughout. For example, if you have a product centering on "Carpet Cleaning" then people would hire a guy like me to write informative articles about carpet cleaning, but I would make sure to repeat the term "carpet cleaning" consistently throughout the content. Usually about 25% of it should be keyword rich.

All websites do this. Search engines are very harsh on spamming, and spamming search engines would be more hurtful than helpful. It is a requirement to know the rules and adhere to them.

We don't repeat content, everything is original -- things like that is required. So, you're just confused as to what Search Engine Optimization is. Every start-up site and every website that wishes to stand out from the rest hires SEO writers. It's a fact.

Even the search engines themselves apply SEO keyword rich content. It's just internet marketing, that's all. You want to make sure that your keyword rich content comes up top on the search engine results.

Other aspects include linkbuilding. So, when you see websites that have "affiliates" or "links" to other major websites, as well as ads, this is part of Search Engine Optimization. The broader the web of link-exchange, the higher you climb on the search engine rankings.

You can also apply this to "gues writing" or "guest blogging" on other sites. It's all a natural part of the marketing game.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 05:37 PM

emotedcreations said:

thefreak said:
EDIT - C'mon, emoted...you're better than that.

You know. I try to be nice to a lot of people who get flamed for random shit. I give them advice, a heads up, etc... but this guy has been on notice and continues to stick his fingers in his ears. I stand by my flaming. Sorry... think poorly of me if you will, but this shit just annoys the hell out of me. Not to mention I think I was a bit nicer later on after I got it out of my system.



Yeah you were later on.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 05:44 PM

LostLucy said:



I like this.

eightzeroone

eightzeroone

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JAN 19, 2008 06:20 PM

ThisWeekInTime said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

eightzeroone said:

ThisWeekInTime said:
Every single website of any consequence that you come across is embedded from top to bottom with SEO content including SG.



Is this sad state of affairs supposed to make me respect search engine spamming?



You just don't understand what it is. It isn't spamming. It is simply writing relevant content for a website and repeating the keyword throughout. For example, if you have a product centering on "Carpet Cleaning" then people would hire a guy like me to write informative articles about carpet cleaning, but I would make sure to repeat the term "carpet cleaning" consistently throughout the content. Usually about 25% of it should be keyword rich.



Okay, so keyword spamming...

ThisWeekInTime said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

All websites do this. Search engines are very harsh on spamming, and spamming search engines would be more hurtful than helpful. It is a requirement to know the rules and adhere to them.

We don't repeat content, everything is original -- things like that is required. So, you're just confused as to what Search Engine Optimization is. Every start-up site and every website that wishes to stand out from the rest hires SEO writers. It's a fact.

Even the search engines themselves apply SEO keyword rich content. It's just internet marketing, that's all. You want to make sure that your keyword rich content comes up top on the search engine results.

Other aspects include linkbuilding. So, when you see websites that have "affiliates" or "links" to other major websites, as well as ads, this is part of Search Engine Optimization. The broader the web of link-exchange, the higher you climb on the search engine rankings.

You can also apply this to "gues writing" or "guest blogging" on other sites. It's all a natural part of the marketing game.




Even though you're flying just under the radar of what search engines consider spamming, it is still spamming. As you acknowledge in your own article, SEO is about distorting a search engine's perception of a site through the addition of manipulated content, and is harmful to search engine result relevance...


Whenever you type in something you are looking for in your favorite search engine (probably Google) and you do what most other people do, which is click on one of the links that show up on the first page, then you are actually playing right into the crafty, sneaky, well paid grips of an SEO writer...

...there are many sites that have amazing content %u2014 some of them may even be better than the results you get on the first page of search results. Unfortunately, because these "better" sites are not Search Engine Optimized you will probably never know about them and their creators will eventually give up and go back to their day jobs. What a pity.



Yes, what a pity...

Thank you for your contribution to the Internet.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 08:02 PM

eightzeroone said:

ThisWeekInTime said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

eightzeroone said:

ThisWeekInTime said:
Every single website of any consequence that you come across is embedded from top to bottom with SEO content including SG.



Is this sad state of affairs supposed to make me respect search engine spamming?



You just don't understand what it is. It isn't spamming. It is simply writing relevant content for a website and repeating the keyword throughout. For example, if you have a product centering on "Carpet Cleaning" then people would hire a guy like me to write informative articles about carpet cleaning, but I would make sure to repeat the term "carpet cleaning" consistently throughout the content. Usually about 25% of it should be keyword rich.



Okay, so keyword spamming...

ThisWeekInTime said:

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

All websites do this. Search engines are very harsh on spamming, and spamming search engines would be more hurtful than helpful. It is a requirement to know the rules and adhere to them.

We don't repeat content, everything is original -- things like that is required. So, you're just confused as to what Search Engine Optimization is. Every start-up site and every website that wishes to stand out from the rest hires SEO writers. It's a fact.

Even the search engines themselves apply SEO keyword rich content. It's just internet marketing, that's all. You want to make sure that your keyword rich content comes up top on the search engine results.

Other aspects include linkbuilding. So, when you see websites that have "affiliates" or "links" to other major websites, as well as ads, this is part of Search Engine Optimization. The broader the web of link-exchange, the higher you climb on the search engine rankings.

You can also apply this to "gues writing" or "guest blogging" on other sites. It's all a natural part of the marketing game.




Even though you're flying just under the radar of what search engines consider spamming, it is still spamming. As you acknowledge in your own article, SEO is about distorting a search engine's perception of a site through the addition of manipulated content, and is harmful to search engine result relevance...


Whenever you type in something you are looking for in your favorite search engine (probably Google) and you do what most other people do, which is click on one of the links that show up on the first page, then you are actually playing right into the crafty, sneaky, well paid grips of an SEO writer...

...there are many sites that have amazing content %u2014 some of them may even be better than the results you get on the first page of search results. Unfortunately, because these "better" sites are not Search Engine Optimized you will probably never know about them and their creators will eventually give up and go back to their day jobs. What a pity.



Yes, what a pity...

Thank you for your contribution to the Internet.



It is a pity, that's why websites hire SEO writers like me so that they don't go under and so people will find out about them. Dumbass.

You're just silly if you think this is spamming. It's just a common form of marketing -- it's business. Every website does it. EVERY website. You wouldn't know about most of the websites you do if it weren't for this.

Most people only click on one of the top 10 search results, or one off of the second page. None of those would appear if it weren't for SEO. it's just a fact.

There are millions of websites out there. You have to stand out if you want yours to be successful. There is no other way than the tried and true methods of SEO writing.

Besides, don't call ME a spammer. I sit back and watch the jobs roll in. I do what I'm told, I get paid for it, the websites make more money and I get to eat and stay warm.

That's the world for you, pal. That's like calling commercials "television spam". You can knock it all you want, but you know about products and events because of them.



Nessuno

Nessuno

Washington, DC
May 2006

JAN 19, 2008 08:07 PM

Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 19, 2008 08:07 PM

ThisWeekInTime said:
Besides, don't call ME a spammer.


Check Definition #9. Also #15.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 08:09 PM

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.



Yeah.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 19, 2008 08:26 PM

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.


No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.

eightzeroone

eightzeroone

I'm lost
OLD SKOOL

JAN 19, 2008 08:31 PM

ThisWeekInTime said:
Most people only click on one of the top 10 search results, or one off of the second page. None of those would appear if it weren't for SEO. it's just a fact.



Regardless of SEO, 10 sites would appear. Ideally the 10 most relevant, not the 10 most jacked with by spammers.

ThisWeekInTime said:
There are millions of websites out there. You have to stand out if you want yours to be successful. There is no other way than the tried and true methods of SEO writing.



Then how come Wikipedia gets such high rankings?

..and did you say "True" and "SEO" in the same sentence?

ThisWeekInTime said:
Besides, don't call ME a spammer. I sit back and watch the jobs roll in. I do what I'm told, I get paid for it.



Since when did getting paid for something absolve one from ethical concerns?

ThisWeekInTime said:
That's the world for you, pal. That's like calling commercials "television spam". You can knock it all you want, but you know about products and events because of them.



Wow. If you think you can compare gaming a search engine with legitimately purchasing advertising time, you just went from denial to delusion.

Cigarette

Cigarette

Cleveland, OH
April 2004

JAN 19, 2008 08:43 PM

ThisWeekInTime said:
I think that doing this is very important. I think it's nothing less than admirable. And, to reach out to the intended crowd, it's important for me to put myself in that place and construct the presentation accordingly.

Changing the world? That comes through people knowing about the issues at hand. That's what I recognized as the problem, that's what I aim to change. I just want people to pay attention.



This reminds me of something...

Postblank

Postblank

New Brunswick, NJ
June 2004

JAN 19, 2008 08:46 PM

Are you the fucking guy that writes those FreeCreditReport.com commericals?

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.

LITTLE MISS MUFFETT SAT ON HER TUFFETT EATING HER CURBS AND J's.

I WENT TO GRAB A BEER

BUT THERE WAS NO BEER

SO I KILLED MYSELF. OH!

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 09:44 PM

Zarth said:

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.


No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.



I get quite a lot of clicks and traffic from SG actually, as well as a few comments and messages.


William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 19, 2008 09:47 PM

eightzeroone said:

ThisWeekInTime said:
Most people only click on one of the top 10 search results, or one off of the second page. None of those would appear if it weren't for SEO. it's just a fact.



Regardless of SEO, 10 sites would appear. Ideally the 10 most relevant, not the 10 most jacked with by spammers.

ThisWeekInTime said:
There are millions of websites out there. You have to stand out if you want yours to be successful. There is no other way than the tried and true methods of SEO writing.



Then how come Wikipedia gets such high rankings?

..and did you say "True" and "SEO" in the same sentence?

ThisWeekInTime said:
Besides, don't call ME a spammer. I sit back and watch the jobs roll in. I do what I'm told, I get paid for it.



Since when did getting paid for something absolve one from ethical concerns?

ThisWeekInTime said:
That's the world for you, pal. That's like calling commercials "television spam". You can knock it all you want, but you know about products and events because of them.



Wow. If you think you can compare gaming a search engine with legitimately purchasing advertising time, you just went from denial to delusion.



You are just ignorant to the whole shindig is all. Wikipedia is full of SEO content. Relevant content is SEO content. I don't see how you don't understand this.

Wikipedia has its website's URL posted throughout each page, it linkbuilds consistently and hosts phantom keywords on each page (phantom is akin to meta tags).



MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JAN 20, 2008 12:17 AM

ThisWeekInTime said:

Zarth said:

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.


No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.



I get quite a lot of clicks and traffic from SG actually, as well as a few comments and messages.



so you're spamming.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 20, 2008 12:28 AM

MrCrisp said:

ThisWeekInTime said:

Zarth said:

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.


No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.



I get quite a lot of clicks and traffic from SG actually, as well as a few comments and messages.



so you're spamming.



Or linkwhoring, or both?

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JAN 20, 2008 12:32 AM

BlastProcessing said:

MrCrisp said:

ThisWeekInTime said:

Zarth said:

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.


No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.



I get quite a lot of clicks and traffic from SG actually, as well as a few comments and messages.



so you're spamming.



Or linkwhoring, or both?



or advertising.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 20, 2008 12:35 AM

MrCrisp said:

BlastProcessing said:

MrCrisp said:

ThisWeekInTime said:

Zarth said:

Nessuno said:
Can´t we all just turn over a new leaf and let this thread die? It´s obvious no one is watching the video in question and no one is talking about it anymore either.


No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.



I get quite a lot of clicks and traffic from SG actually, as well as a few comments and messages.



so you're spamming.



Or linkwhoring, or both?



or advertising.



How is someone deciding upon their own accord to visit my website after I post up an article and/or video on these boards and citing the original source (my site) linkwhoring, advertising or spamming?

It's not. Get it right.

MrCrisp

MrCrisp

I'm lost
August 2004

JAN 20, 2008 12:41 AM

it's linkwhoring because...

  • up until recently you were including a link to your website in every post
  • your user name is the same as your website
  • someone "deciding upon their own accord to visit" your website would not have done so if you hadn't provided a link nor a reason to (ie using your own site as a source) in the first place
  • you have a history of starting topics that either direct attention to yourself or your site
  • you list one of your occupations as "prostitute"
  • it's linkwhoring

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JAN 20, 2008 12:45 AM

ThisWeekInTime said:

MrCrisp said:

BlastProcessing said:

MrCrisp said:

ThisWeekInTime said:

Zarth said:
No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.



I get quite a lot of clicks and traffic from SG actually, as well as a few comments and messages.



so you're spamming.



Or linkwhoring, or both?



or advertising.



How is someone deciding upon their own accord to visit my website after I post up an article and/or video on these boards and citing the original source (my site) linkwhoring, advertising or spamming?

It's not. Get it right.



when you flash it (your link) around like you're dressed up like a $2 fuckwhore selling her goods (bads?), that'd be linkwhoring.

William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 20, 2008 12:48 AM

MrCrisp said:
it's linkwhoring because...

  • up until recently you were including a link to your website in every post
  • your user name is the same as your website
  • someone "deciding upon their own accord to visit" your website would not have done so if you hadn't provided a link nor a reason to (ie using your own site as a source) in the first place
  • you have a history of starting topics that either direct attention to yourself or your site
  • it's linkwhoring



I only signed my posts with a link to my site on the first thread I ever posted on these forums, after that I refrained.

My username is the same as my website -- yeah. That means nothing. I pay to be here just like everyone else.

I write current events pieces on a weekly basis. I post some of them on SG when I think the general community will be interested and I allow people the ability to reference the original article from its original source, i.e. my site. However, you don't seem to be complaining about people doing the same for other sites if the person who posted the content did not themselves write it. I just happened to write my own content, deal with it.

I have a history of writing well-thought-out opinion pieces concerning current events and posting them here. That is actually really fantastic. I have written a number of fantastic pieces and posted them on here. This includes a video about Child Sex Trafficking, one entitled "Maybe Ron Paul Supporters are Paultards" and a recent one entitled "Liberty Does Not Mean Security"



William_Mac

William_Mac

Savannah, GA
November 2007

JAN 20, 2008 12:50 AM

scylis said:

ThisWeekInTime said:

MrCrisp said:

BlastProcessing said:

MrCrisp said:

ThisWeekInTime said:
Zarth said:
No-one has ever watched any of his videos here, or talked about any of his threads. Yet that has not discouraged him from making them. I think that's what drove emotedcreations to snap the way he did.

Now, I myself don't have strong feelings about the subject, but I do find the spamminess of this threadstarter annoying enough to justify persecuting him until something more interesting comes along.



I get quite a lot of clicks and traffic from SG actually, as well as a few comments and messages.



so you're spamming.



Or linkwhoring, or both?



or advertising.



How is someone deciding upon their own accord to visit my website after I post up an article and/or video on these boards and citing the original source (my site) linkwhoring, advertising or spamming?

It's not. Get it right.



when you flash it (your link) around like you're dressed up like a $2 fuckwhore selling her goods (bads?), that'd be linkwhoring.

I don't. I got flack on my first thread (roughly three months ago) and have not done it since.

scylis

scylis

USA
November 2004

JAN 20, 2008 12:50 AM

ThisWeekInTime said:

MrCrisp said:
it's linkwhoring because...

  • up until recently you were including a link to your website in every post
  • your user name is the same as your website
  • someone "deciding upon their own accord to visit" your website would not have done so if you hadn't provided a link nor a reason to (ie using your own site as a source) in the first place
  • you have a history of starting topics that either direct attention to yourself or your site
  • it's linkwhoring



I only signed my posts with a link to my site on the first thread I ever posted on these forums, after that I refrained.

My username is the same as my website -- yeah. That means nothing.

I write current events pieces on a weekly basis. I post some of them on SG when I think the general community will be interested and I allow people the ability to reference the original article from its original source, i.e. my site. However, you don't seem to be complaining about people doing the same for other sites if the person who posted the content did not themselves write it. I just happened to write my own content, deal with it.

I have a history of writing well-thought-out opinion pieces concerning current events and posting them here. That is actually really fantastic. I have written a number of fantastic pieces and posted them on here. This includes a video about Child Sex Trafficking, one entitled "Maybe Ron Paul Supporters are Paultards" and a recent one entitled "Liberty Does Not Mean Security"





all that there would be what we in the industry call "advertising."

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 20, 2008 12:52 AM

....um, I don't think you're the one who gets to be the judge of whether your opinion pieces are "well-thought-out" or "fantastic". (Well, you do, I guess. But you shouldn't expect that opinion to mean anything to your readers.)

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