sdhubbard said:
Quite a while back I was reading this article on Strategy Page about the price of AK-47 ammunition going up as a result of our purchasing it for the Iraqi and Afghan Armies. So, I'd like to suggest why stop with AK-47 bullets? I'm fairly certain we could do the same thing with IED's and RPG-7 rockets. It would a simple thing for our side to establish a front terrorist organization with the express purpose of out bidding the real terrorists organizations of the munitions they need to wage warefare. We could also work our way up the supply chain, buying out every link until all munitions produced come straight to us. Any thoughts?
Completely impossible. first of all those weapons are made much of the time from scavenged weapon systems and or by third parties that wish to see us harmed. It's in far more of their best interest to do so than have us pay them for their scavenged home made bombs.
Nice in theory but it's fundamentally flawed.
Damn you and your newfound voice of reason!
Yes Zarth not only am I the voice of reason suddenly, but it's the voice of reason talking about guns.
Welcome to the Twilight Zone bizarro SG where conservatives speak with reason and logic and liberals have crackpot ideas.
bald_eagle said:
Let's talk economics. I won't even try to address Colinism's expertise on weapons.
Supply strives to expand to fill demand. The end result would be even more ammunition being manufactured. And when the artificial price support drops out, it's clearance sale time.
Well, if some one tries to under sell use, we can always put them out of business by sending in the troops, or else pre-emptively buying one step above them in the supply chain. "Sell to me only, and I'll pay double what they're paying." That kind of thing. Basically using the dirty business tricks that were out lawed in the US in the 19th Century.
As far as suppliers motivated by pure political ideology, if we take care of those who are just in it for the money, we can devote more resources to searching and destroying their supply lines the old fashioned way.
Wait did you just advocate using the US military to force a country to sell only to us? what happens when the country in question is say China, Russia, North Korea, or hell France? and they decide to tell us to Fuck off. What then?
I adovacated the boots on ground searching vehicles, and creating checkpoints method of disrupting supply lines.
Colinism said:
Wait did you just advocate using the US military to force a country to sell only to us? what happens when the country in question is say China, Russia, North Korea, or hell France? and they decide to tell us to Fuck off. What then?
If you think that the CIA has started illicit wars, what makes you think that the CIA isn't already building up a "clean" stockpile of weapons that don't have a US return address? It would seem to be a very logical thing to do.
But anyways, given that all the war material is either surplus or manufactured (and ammo manufacturing worldwide is already at nearly 100%), the manufactured should be easy enough to buy up, but who knows how much milsurp they have access to, or have buried in the ground, etc
I know that the US government has handed out money to various companies to buy nuclear reactors off of russia so that they don't fall into bad hands, so it's a stretch for me to think this isn't already done
We tried giving weapons to rebels and insugent cells with the intent on getting them back. Anyone wanna guess who gave Afganistan all their weapons when the Iron Curtain was looming? Let's not give the guns to anyone. Let's melt them down and use them for Quantum optic research. Those guys always need metal to make mirrors and what not.
And instead of trying to economically oust the terrorists, let's try to do a better job of cutting off the weapons that they are already recieveing.
bald_eagle said:
Let's talk economics. I won't even try to address Colinism's expertise on weapons.
Supply strives to expand to fill demand. The end result would be even more ammunition being manufactured. And when the artificial price support drops out, it's clearance sale time.
Well, if some one tries to under sell use, we can always put them out of business by sending in the troops, or else pre-emptively buying one step above them in the supply chain. "Sell to me only, and I'll pay double what they're paying." That kind of thing. Basically using the dirty business tricks that were out lawed in the US in the 19th Century.
As far as suppliers motivated by pure political ideology, if we take care of those who are just in it for the money, we can devote more resources to searching and destroying their supply lines the old fashioned way.
Wait did you just advocate using the US military to force a country to sell only to us? what happens when the country in question is say China, Russia, North Korea, or hell France? and they decide to tell us to Fuck off. What then?
I adovacated the boots on ground searching vehicles, and creating checkpoints method of disrupting supply lines.
Which is impossible. We have over 100,000 troops in Iraq and how many attacks a day happen? For another example in a country the size of the US we can't stop millions of illegals that we know are here from coming over the border, tons and tons of drugs, an Illegal weapons trade where guns flow from the south to the north of the country, prostitution, The list goes on and on. My point being is that what you are proposing, altho I do applaud your intent is simply not feasable. The time money and effort would be far better spent trying to reduce the pool of recruits that terrorists have access too.
As I said there will always be assholes out there who feel violence is a necessary thing and that they are right in their beliefs. Altho they can do some serious damage there is only so much they can do on their own, it's when they get access to an angry hungry populace that they are able to cause massive problems. Look at all the communist insurgents still operating in south America some of those countries have or had civil wars going on for decades all because someone came along and said hey her is a gun and some food now go kill in my name.
bald_eagle said:
Let's talk economics. I won't even try to address Colinism's expertise on weapons.
Supply strives to expand to fill demand. The end result would be even more ammunition being manufactured. And when the artificial price support drops out, it's clearance sale time.
Well, if some one tries to under sell use, we can always put them out of business by sending in the troops, or else pre-emptively buying one step above them in the supply chain. "Sell to me only, and I'll pay double what they're paying." That kind of thing. Basically using the dirty business tricks that were out lawed in the US in the 19th Century.
As far as suppliers motivated by pure political ideology, if we take care of those who are just in it for the money, we can devote more resources to searching and destroying their supply lines the old fashioned way.
Wait did you just advocate using the US military to force a country to sell only to us? what happens when the country in question is say China, Russia, North Korea, or hell France? and they decide to tell us to Fuck off. What then?
I adovacated the boots on ground searching vehicles, and creating checkpoints method of disrupting supply lines.
Which is impossible. We have over 100,000 troops in Iraq and how many attacks a day happen? For another example in a country the size of the US we can't stop millions of illegals that we know are here from coming over the border, tons and tons of drugs, an Illegal weapons trade where guns flow from the south to the north of the country, prostitution, The list goes on and on. My point being is that what you are proposing, altho I do applaud your intent is simply not feasable. The time money and effort would be far better spent trying to reduce the pool of recruits that terrorists have access too.
As I said there will always be assholes out there who feel violence is a necessary thing and that they are right in their beliefs. Altho they can do some serious damage there is only so much they can do on their own, it's when they get access to an angry hungry populace that they are able to cause massive problems. Look at all the communist insurgents still operating in south America some of those countries have or had civil wars going on for decades all because someone came along and said hey her is a gun and some food now go kill in my name.
The hopeless situation of the peasant population wouldn't have anything to do with that at all, of course.
It's a mistake to blame insurgencies (especially among poor people with no way of bettering themselves) on outside factors. Peasants' revolts happened for centuries, throughout Europe.
bald_eagle said:
Let's talk economics. I won't even try to address Colinism's expertise on weapons.
Supply strives to expand to fill demand. The end result would be even more ammunition being manufactured. And when the artificial price support drops out, it's clearance sale time.
Well, if some one tries to under sell use, we can always put them out of business by sending in the troops, or else pre-emptively buying one step above them in the supply chain. "Sell to me only, and I'll pay double what they're paying." That kind of thing. Basically using the dirty business tricks that were out lawed in the US in the 19th Century.
As far as suppliers motivated by pure political ideology, if we take care of those who are just in it for the money, we can devote more resources to searching and destroying their supply lines the old fashioned way.
Wait did you just advocate using the US military to force a country to sell only to us? what happens when the country in question is say China, Russia, North Korea, or hell France? and they decide to tell us to Fuck off. What then?
I adovacated the boots on ground searching vehicles, and creating checkpoints method of disrupting supply lines.
Which is impossible. We have over 100,000 troops in Iraq and how many attacks a day happen? For another example in a country the size of the US we can't stop millions of illegals that we know are here from coming over the border, tons and tons of drugs, an Illegal weapons trade where guns flow from the south to the north of the country, prostitution, The list goes on and on. My point being is that what you are proposing, altho I do applaud your intent is simply not feasable. The time money and effort would be far better spent trying to reduce the pool of recruits that terrorists have access too.
As I said there will always be assholes out there who feel violence is a necessary thing and that they are right in their beliefs. Altho they can do some serious damage there is only so much they can do on their own, it's when they get access to an angry hungry populace that they are able to cause massive problems. Look at all the communist insurgents still operating in south America some of those countries have or had civil wars going on for decades all because someone came along and said hey her is a gun and some food now go kill in my name.
The hopeless situation of the peasant population wouldn't have anything to do with that at all, of course.
It's a mistake to blame insurgencies (especially among poor people with no way of bettering themselves) on outside factors. Peasants' revolts happened for centuries, throughout Europe.
Were actually in total agreement about that fact also.
fountainofdreams
Batavia, IL
January 2005
JAN 12, 2008 09:39 PM