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AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 03, 2008 08:48 PM

Comments on Digg and Reddit regarding the Iowa caucus...

I'm voting Paul in the primaries (we have a closed primary in my state). But if Paul doesn't win the Republican nomination and Obama does win the democratic nomination then go Obama! If it turns out Obama/Kucinich 2008 (which I doubt) then thats even better.


No kidding...If we can't have Paul, Obama will do.


If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, I will be voting for Obama in the general.


PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN Obama/Kucinich is a 2nd choice to RP. Looking at the poll numbers, im not sure RP is going to get it.



surreal

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 03, 2008 08:56 PM

Yeah, that is odd.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 03, 2008 09:00 PM

They have in common a personal charisma and an ability to present themselves as iconoclastic challengers to The Establishment. That appeals to the disenfranchised weirdos of America more than ideology or policy.

malkav11

malkav11

Saint Paul, MN
July 2003

JAN 03, 2008 09:08 PM

Well, and a certain amount of Ron Paul cultishness is centered around his anti-war stance, which I believe Obama also more or less shares, albeit for strikingly different reasons.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 03, 2008 09:11 PM

Also true.

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 03, 2008 09:16 PM

These people have been spouting off for a fucking year about libertarian ideals and how great and perfect the Constitution is, and how this "movement" isn't about Ron Paul, it's about liberty and freedom.

Now they're going to flip to the other side of a coin with nary a wince?

AceT

AceT

Portland, OR
April 2004

JAN 03, 2008 09:16 PM

The edit and reply buttons are entirely too close together.

bean

bean

STAFF

Los Angeles, CA

JAN 03, 2008 09:28 PM

AceT said:
These people have been spouting off for a fucking year about libertarian ideals and how great and perfect the Constitution is, and how this "movement" isn't about Ron Paul, it's about liberty and freedom.

Now they're going to flip to the other side of a coin with nary a wince?



Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

JAN 03, 2008 09:36 PM

AceT said:
These people have been spouting off for a fucking year about libertarian ideals and how great and perfect the Constitution is, and how this "movement" isn't about Ron Paul, it's about liberty and freedom.

Now they're going to flip to the other side of a coin with nary a wince?


Yeah, but you're assuming an ideological coherency to the Ron Paul Revolution that it just doesn't have. While there's a hard core of Libertarians, Objectivists, and White Supremacists who are not likely to desert the Master, the majority of Ronpauloompas were attracted chiefly to his cult of personality (chiefly the aura of integrity and the outsider status), and, as malkav11 pointed out, his anti-war stance (and also his anti-war on drugs stance). A lot of them are more or less left-liberal on most issues.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JAN 03, 2008 10:17 PM

Awesome conversation I had tonight:

Me: "Hi Dad, calling because I"m stuck in traffic and I"m tired of listening to winner-loser speeches from the Iowa Caucus on NPR"
Dad: "Yeah, I thought Hillary would win the Democratic one but Obama did. I like that guy, saw him on Letterman that one time and he just seems like a real person."
Me: "And he's from our home state."
Dad: "That too. I still think Hillary could win it though. And Huckabee won the Republican one, but that's only because he's a Baptist preacher and 60% or something of the Republican caucus turnout was Baptists and Evangelicals and born-agains. Bible thumpers."
Mom (in background): "Jimmy Carter was a bible thumper!"
Dad: "Oh, he was not. You don't even remember that election. You're a bible thumper." (he's kidding, she's not)
Me: "At least Ron Paul got like... no votes."
Dad: "Who?"
Me: "Ron Paul. The sorta Libertarian candidate."
Dad: "Was he on the Republican or Democratic caucus?"
Me: "Republican."
Dad: "Really? Ron Paul? He been around long or was he one of those wingnut write-ins?"
Me: "He's been around. Has a lot of support on the internet and college campuses."
Dad: "Ron Paul? Seriously, I've never even heard the name."
Me: "Really? He did better than Giuliani in the caucus."
Dad: "Really? Guiliani's pretty much a joke, though, so that's not saying much. Huh." (to my Mom) "Dear, you ever hear of Ron Paul?"
Mom (in background): "Who?"

My parents pretty much represent the majority of likely voters in America.

smile

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

JAN 03, 2008 10:20 PM

Shalome said:
Awesome conversation I had tonight:

Me: "Hi Dad, calling because I"m stuck in traffic and I"m tired of listening to winner-loser speeches from the Iowa Caucus on NPR"
Dad: "Yeah, I thought Hillary would win the Democratic one but Obama did. I like that guy, saw him on Letterman that one time and he just seems like a real person."
Me: "And he's from our home state."
Dad: "That too. I still think Hillary could win it though. And Huckabee won the Republican one, but that's only because he's a Baptist preacher and 60% or something of the Republican caucus turnout was Baptists and Evangelicals and born-agains. Bible thumpers."
Mom (in background): "Jimmy Carter was a bible thumper!"
Dad: "Oh, he was not. You don't even remember that election. You're a bible thumper." (he's kidding, she's not)
Me: "At least Ron Paul got like... no votes."
Dad: "Who?"
Me: "Ron Paul. The sorta Libertarian candidate."
Dad: "Was he on the Republican or Democratic caucus?"
Me: "Republican."
Dad: "Really? Ron Paul? He been around long or was he one of those wingnut write-ins?"
Me: "He's been around. Has a lot of support on the internet and college campuses."
Dad: "Ron Paul? Seriously, I've never even heard the name."
Me: "Really? He did better than Giuliani in the caucus."
Dad: "Really? Guiliani's pretty much a joke, though, so that's not saying much. Huh." (to my Mom) "Dear, you ever hear of Ron Paul?"
Mom (in background): "Who?"

My parents pretty much represent the majority of likely voters in America.

smile



I guess the blimp is not working. Damn. Maybe we should try smoke signals?

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JAN 03, 2008 10:25 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Shalome said:
Awesome conversation I had tonight:

Me: "Hi Dad, calling because I"m stuck in traffic and I"m tired of listening to winner-loser speeches from the Iowa Caucus on NPR"
Dad: "Yeah, I thought Hillary would win the Democratic one but Obama did. I like that guy, saw him on Letterman that one time and he just seems like a real person."
Me: "And he's from our home state."
Dad: "That too. I still think Hillary could win it though. And Huckabee won the Republican one, but that's only because he's a Baptist preacher and 60% or something of the Republican caucus turnout was Baptists and Evangelicals and born-agains. Bible thumpers."
Mom (in background): "Jimmy Carter was a bible thumper!"
Dad: "Oh, he was not. You don't even remember that election. You're a bible thumper." (he's kidding, she's not)
Me: "At least Ron Paul got like... no votes."
Dad: "Who?"
Me: "Ron Paul. The sorta Libertarian candidate."
Dad: "Was he on the Republican or Democratic caucus?"
Me: "Republican."
Dad: "Really? Ron Paul? He been around long or was he one of those wingnut write-ins?"
Me: "He's been around. Has a lot of support on the internet and college campuses."
Dad: "Ron Paul? Seriously, I've never even heard the name."
Me: "Really? He did better than Giuliani in the caucus."
Dad: "Really? Guiliani's pretty much a joke, though, so that's not saying much. Huh." (to my Mom) "Dear, you ever hear of Ron Paul?"
Mom (in background): "Who?"

My parents pretty much represent the majority of likely voters in America.

smile



I guess the blimp is not working. Damn. Maybe we should try smoke signals?



Smoke offends my parents. Illinois just went smoke-free because of voters like them, because they like to go to bars but hate smoke and think everyone should enjoy the things they enjoy (which is true, for the most part. They're pretty much representative educated-but-not-ivory-tower middle class middle America).

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 03, 2008 10:26 PM

You're proud of your parents. That's just adorable.

Coyotemike

Coyotemike

USA
May 2006

JAN 03, 2008 10:27 PM

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JAN 03, 2008 10:29 PM

BlastProcessing said:
You're proud of your parents. That's just adorable.



Eh, sometimes. They also did things like vote for Ross Perot.

FreakPirate

FreakPirate

Canada
November 2002

JAN 03, 2008 10:32 PM

Shalome said:
Parent talk



That's cheering.

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 03, 2008 10:33 PM

Shalome said:

BlastProcessing said:
You're proud of your parents. That's just adorable.



Eh, sometimes. They also did things like vote for Ross Perot.



Hey, now. I own this mint in box:

zoom image

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JAN 03, 2008 10:37 PM

BlastProcessing said:

Shalome said:

BlastProcessing said:
You're proud of your parents. That's just adorable.



Eh, sometimes. They also did things like vote for Ross Perot.



Hey, now. I own this mint in box:

zoom image



surreal

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

JAN 03, 2008 10:37 PM

Shalome said:
Awesome conversation I had tonight:

Me: "Hi Dad, calling because I"m stuck in traffic and I"m tired of listening to winner-loser speeches from the Iowa Caucus on NPR"
Dad: "Yeah, I thought Hillary would win the Democratic one but Obama did. I like that guy, saw him on Letterman that one time and he just seems like a real person."
Me: "And he's from our home state."
Dad: "That too. I still think Hillary could win it though. And Huckabee won the Republican one, but that's only because he's a Baptist preacher and 60% or something of the Republican caucus turnout was Baptists and Evangelicals and born-agains. Bible thumpers."
Mom (in background): "Jimmy Carter was a bible thumper!"
Dad: "Oh, he was not. You don't even remember that election. You're a bible thumper." (he's kidding, she's not)
Me: "At least Ron Paul got like... no votes."
Dad: "Who?"
Me: "Ron Paul. The sorta Libertarian candidate."
Dad: "Was he on the Republican or Democratic caucus?"
Me: "Republican."
Dad: "Really? Ron Paul? He been around long or was he one of those wingnut write-ins?"
Me: "He's been around. Has a lot of support on the internet and college campuses."
Dad: "Ron Paul? Seriously, I've never even heard the name."
Me: "Really? He did better than Giuliani in the caucus."
Dad: "Really? Guiliani's pretty much a joke, though, so that's not saying much. Huh." (to my Mom) "Dear, you ever hear of Ron Paul?"
Mom (in background): "Who?"

My parents pretty much represent the majority of likely voters in America.

smile



I have extensively polled my non-internet-savvy relatives about Ron Paul. The only one who had heard of him is my dad's father, and he's a bit of a wingnut himself. He said he'd vote for him if he wasn't such a pacifist. shocked

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

JAN 03, 2008 10:37 PM

Shalome said:

BlastProcessing said:

Shalome said:

BlastProcessing said:
You're proud of your parents. That's just adorable.



Eh, sometimes. They also did things like vote for Ross Perot.



Hey, now. I own this mint in box:

zoom image



surreal



Best $1.29 I ever spent.

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JAN 03, 2008 10:40 PM

REMINDER TO RON PAUL FANS:

Snakes on a Plane was an internet hit before box office release.

_DictionaryGirl_

_DictionaryGirl_

NEWSWIRE

San Diego, CA

JAN 03, 2008 10:42 PM

Shalome said:
REMINDER TO RON PAUL FANS:

Snakes on a Plane was an internet hit before box office release.



The similarities... the mind boggles.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

JAN 03, 2008 10:43 PM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

Shalome said:
REMINDER TO RON PAUL FANS:

Snakes on a Plane was an internet hit before box office release.



The similarities... the mind boggles.



The fringe thrives on the internet? Whaaaaaa....... shocked

Shal

Shal

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

JAN 03, 2008 10:59 PM

_DictionaryGirl_ said:

Shalome said:
REMINDER TO RON PAUL FANS:

Snakes on a Plane was an internet hit before box office release.



The similarities... the mind boggles.



zoom image

ckdexterhaven

ckdexterhaven

USA
December 2005

JAN 03, 2008 11:00 PM

Ron Paul always has his hand like that. I wonder if it gets tired.

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