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radiofrank

radiofrank

Mississauga, ON
November 2002

DEC 06, 2007 09:19 PM

bean said:

radiofrank said:
AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. As such, distances between other planets and their stars may be compared to the AU to make it a little easier for us to put things into scale.


Sort of.

AU = c * tauA = 1.49597870691 x 1011 (± 3) m
light time for 1 AU (tauA) = 499.004783806 (± 0.00000001) s
c = speed of light



You're quite right, of course. "Arbitrary" might not have been the right word to use, but I meant it in the sense that the Earth-Sun distance was used as the definition for an AU.

Cassiel

Cassiel

Aurora, CO
September 2004

DEC 06, 2007 09:24 PM

KUNGFOO said:
This is interesting, but I still prefer Death Stars as a primary means of destroying planets.



I prefer monoliths.

radiofrank

radiofrank

Mississauga, ON
November 2002

DEC 06, 2007 09:34 PM

Chainlink said:

radiofrank said:
Okay, Chainlink, I've tried putting a little thought and research into this post...

AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. As such, distances between other planets and their stars may be compared to the AU to make it a little easier for us to put things into scale.



Ok, I am finding that the AU is a astronomical unit of measurement that has been in use since the 1600's. Our capability to accurately measure the distance between here and the sun has improved greatly and the unit of measurement has changed with the times.
But that said, it seems about as arbitrary as a foot or a yard, an inch, a meter, whatever.
It is a specific and fixed unit of measurement.
Meaning an AU is not any longer or shorter in another galaxy.


Regardless of that, the planet mentioned in this article is orbiting a Sun-like star, so the comparison between it and our own solar system is valid.



Perhaps I didn't phrase that well or chose a poor example. My point was that , lets us say even between Yellow Dwarf stars there is such an enormous amount of variation ( and also I'm thinking of variations within gas giant planets) that 1.5 AH couldn't be the "the significant point of no return" for all gas giant/ yellow dwarf systems. (could it ? )
If the star was a little hotter wouldn't it be 1.8 ? Or if the Planet had more protective H3 in the atmosphere could it be 1.2 ? My confusion and the point of my original question was are they saying 1.5 is the PNR for Jupiter or for HD209458b or are they really postulating that 1.5 AU is the threshold for Gas Giant / Star proximity no matter what the other variables are ? ( that is what seemed absurd to me)





You phrased it well, but I don't think that I understood exactly what you were trying to say.

I would imagine that the precise numbers would be different when one changes the variables that you've brought up, while the ones in the original post are meant to be a general guideline when discussing this sort of scenario.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

DEC 06, 2007 09:37 PM

radiofrank said:

bean said:

radiofrank said:
AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. As such, distances between other planets and their stars may be compared to the AU to make it a little easier for us to put things into scale.


Sort of.

AU = c * tauA = 1.49597870691 x 1011 (± 3) m
light time for 1 AU (tauA) = 499.004783806 (± 0.00000001) s
c = speed of light



You're quite right, of course. "Arbitrary" might not have been the right word to use, but I meant it in the sense that the Earth-Sun distance was used as the definition for an AU.





radiofrank, said :
AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun.



Is there some other case where the AU is not the distance between the Earth and the Sun ?
I mean besides the case of if an alien life were making up their own units of measurements..

radiofrank

radiofrank

Mississauga, ON
November 2002

DEC 06, 2007 09:41 PM

Chainlink said:

radiofrank said:

bean said:

radiofrank said:
AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. As such, distances between other planets and their stars may be compared to the AU to make it a little easier for us to put things into scale.


Sort of.

AU = c * tauA = 1.49597870691 x 1011 (± 3) m
light time for 1 AU (tauA) = 499.004783806 (± 0.00000001) s
c = speed of light



You're quite right, of course. "Arbitrary" might not have been the right word to use, but I meant it in the sense that the Earth-Sun distance was used as the definition for an AU.





radiofrank, said :
AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun.



Is there some other case where the AU is NOT the distance between the earth and the sun ?
I mean besides the case of if an alien life were making up their own measurements from their home planets to their star.



No, it's specifically meant as the distance between the earth and the sun.

I seem to have chosen my words poorly, and I should really proofread my posts before submitting them. Ha.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

DEC 06, 2007 09:56 PM

radiofrank said:

Chainlink said:

radiofrank said:

bean said:

radiofrank said:
AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. As such, distances between other planets and their stars may be compared to the AU to make it a little easier for us to put things into scale.


Sort of.

AU = c * tauA = 1.49597870691 x 1011 (± 3) m
light time for 1 AU (tauA) = 499.004783806 (± 0.00000001) s
c = speed of light



You're quite right, of course. "Arbitrary" might not have been the right word to use, but I meant it in the sense that the Earth-Sun distance was used as the definition for an AU.





radiofrank, said :
AU is an arbitrary measurement; in this case, it is the distance between the Earth and the Sun.



Is there some other case where the AU is NOT the distance between the earth and the sun ?
I mean besides the case of if an alien life were making up their own measurements from their home planets to their star.



No, it's specifically meant as the distance between the earth and the sun.

I seem to have chosen my words poorly, and I should really proofread my posts before submitting them. Ha.



meh, you are at least as clear or clearer than the article from Space.com. They seem to be referring to Jupiter in particular with their models but then say things like

"If you take a planet even slightly beyond this, molecular hydrogen becomes unstable and no more H3+ is produced. The self-regulating, 'thermostatic' effect then disintegrates and the atmosphere begins to heat up uncontrollably."

and I'm like confused

Chainlink

Chainlink

Dickeyville, WI
August 2005

DEC 06, 2007 10:02 PM

also I've been saying 1.5 and the supposed threshold is .15AU

blush

scylis

scylis

Anchorage, AK
November 2004

DEC 06, 2007 10:19 PM

_DictionaryGirl_ will so call the X-Men on you, so seriously, don't even think about it.



i see your X-Men and raise you my pack of nuclear mutant 8-foot sea scorpions.

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