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ericwine

ericwine

Charlotte Hall, MD
January 2007

DEC 02, 2007 11:21 AM

Zarth said:

ericwine said:
I don't think his social conservatism will be as much of a negative, because he does well in debates and his "happy warrior" persona and sense of humor will keep him from frightening people, plus he's middle of the road on a lot of other issues. The Club for Growth even calls him a "fiscal liberal" based on his record as governor, while Huckabee returned the insult by calling them the "Club for Greed".
The real albatross around Huckabee's neck is his support for the Fair Tax. Although a case can be made for switching to a consumption tax, it's justifiably vulnerable to class based rhetoric, and the Fair Tax is based on questionable accounting.



I'm not so sure about that, myself. Tax policies are pretty abstruse, and very easy to misrepresent. There are plenty of highly vociferous supporters of a flat income tax because they believe that the rich would pay more under such a system, as well as people who suppose a National Sales Tax because they believe it's less regressive than an income tax.



That's probably why Mike Gravel, who also supports the Fair Tax, calls it a "progressive sales tax". It does include those automatic monthly "pre-bates" to every American to offset the high rate.
Because most of the revenue currently lost to tax deductions would come from the wealthy, the rich would pay more under a flat tax - if the rate were set high enough. I tend to doubt that's the case with the 17% figure usually thrown around. (And the higher the rate goes, the more you have to worry about the effect on middle- and lower-income taxpayers, even with the large basic exemptions.)
I've thought combining the pre-bates with a flat income tax might be worth looking at, but I've no idea where the rates and pre-bates would be set. What I am sure of is no system will be perfect and people on both the right and the left will always find something to bitch about.



Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 02, 2007 11:23 AM

ericwine said:
What I am sure of is no system will be perfect and people on both the right and the left will always find something to bitch about.


That's something we can agree on wholeheartedly.

Most of the rest of that stuff is over my head, though. I'm afraid my eyes tend to glaze over in economics discussions.

ericwine

ericwine

Charlotte Hall, MD
January 2007

DEC 02, 2007 11:27 AM

SnowgodCCR said:
Right. Because they can't possibly switch their registration and vote democrat in the primary. With all that I've seen of the Republicans latley...I'm having a hard time giving any one of them my nod. Granted, the same applies to the democrats at this point, but hey...it's nice to keep my options open.



In some states, you affiliate with a party when you register to vote and can't change it at the primary, you actually have to go to the trouble of submitting a form a certain amount of time before the primary. The deadline in my state is passed, so I'm stuck (assuming I wanted to change, which I'm neither confirming nor denying.).
I have to agree that the choices on both sides are uninspiring at best.

ericwine

ericwine

Charlotte Hall, MD
January 2007

DEC 02, 2007 11:30 AM

Zarth said:

ericwine said:
What I am sure of is no system will be perfect and people on both the right and the left will always find something to bitch about.


That's something we can agree on wholeheartedly.

Most of the rest of that stuff is over my head, though. I'm afraid my eyes tend to glaze over in economics discussions.




Apologies. biggrin I tend to view economics as inseparable from dealing with problems like poverty and health care, so it's central to my political thinking, maybe too much so.

Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 02, 2007 11:37 AM

ericwine said:

Zarth said:

ericwine said:
What I am sure of is no system will be perfect and people on both the right and the left will always find something to bitch about.


That's something we can agree on wholeheartedly.

Most of the rest of that stuff is over my head, though. I'm afraid my eyes tend to glaze over in economics discussions.


Apologies. biggrin I tend to view economics as inseparable from dealing with problems like poverty and health care, so it's central to my political thinking, maybe too much so.


Oh, they are inseparable, to a large extent, at least from the technical aspects of policymaking.

I just usually concern myself more with the ethics. It's easier for those of us whose quantitative reasoning faculties are underdeveloped.

Virtute

Virtute

Brooklyn, NY
July 2007

DEC 02, 2007 02:07 PM

FearTheReaper said:

checkeredbob said:
as if there is a legitimate democratic candidate? Hillary and Osama ...... Yeah Right!



As if that is even remotely the point of this piece. And if that is all you've got, dear God...


All he's got? Obama sounds like Osama! I'm sold!
Now if only he'd called her Hitlery.

wereduck

wereduck

I'm lost
July 2007

DEC 02, 2007 04:02 PM

I would like to think that Huckabee doesn't have a chance coming November 2008, but given the circumstances...

Anyway, cynicism aside, the fact that the front-runners in both the Republicans and Democrats are not in any way inspiring confidence should be a wake-up call for Americans to vote for third party candidates. Unfortunately, everyone has this mindset of "we won't vote for them because they won't win." Which is, after all, a complete load of horse-shit, since flocking away from the Big Two means more votes for the others, which increases their chances of winning. But, people fail to see the logic there, for some reason.

Tangential rant over.

kommsuessertod

kommsuessertod

Davenport, IA
April 2007

DEC 02, 2007 05:01 PM

Lemme say this as someone who lives in Iowa: Although I do work nights and sleep during the daylight hours a decent number of days, I still do attend college, and watch local TV, and I haven't heard one thing about the primaries from any of my local media. It's like no one around here actually cares. Freaking amazing.

SirPsychoSexy

SirPsychoSexy

Ridgewood, NJ
January 2004

DEC 02, 2007 06:57 PM

checkeredbob said:
We need a NO CONFIDENCE button and if WE the People decide none of the candidates are worthy the process should have to start over.......



.......then George Bush stays the president for another entire election cycle? surreal

LostLucy

LostLucy

USA
December 2006

DEC 02, 2007 09:03 PM

Virtute said:

FearTheReaper said:

checkeredbob said:
as if there is a legitimate democratic candidate? Hillary and Osama ...... Yeah Right!



As if that is even remotely the point of this piece. And if that is all you've got, dear God...


All he's got? Obama sounds like Osama! I'm sold!
Now if only he'd called her Hitlery.



+1

Offensive, off-topic, and unoriginal.

eScottie

eScottie

Minneapolis, MN
August 2003

DEC 03, 2007 06:44 AM

I'm inclined to paraphrase a notice that used to posted on a bulletin board at my old workplace:

"It has come to the attention of management that [candidates] dying on [the campaign trail] are failing to fall down.

This practice must stop as it become difficult to distinguish between death and the natural movement of the [candidates].

Beginning immediately, [candidates] found dead in an upright position will be removed from the payroll."

rayweeboy

rayweeboy

Holyoke, MA
December 2005

DEC 03, 2007 09:33 AM

I believe that Mike Huckabee has an excellent chance of being elected President of the moon. A place that he seems to believe is made of Green Cheese.

Rudy Guiliani is going to loose Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's going to flatten the competition in Florida, which is up after South Carolina. He'll take New York and California too. This is a race where size matters, and you can drive through New Hampshire in about twenty minutes and pass nothing but cows on the way.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

DEC 03, 2007 09:45 AM

rayweeboy said:
I believe that Mike Huckabee has an excellent chance of being elected President of the moon. A place that he seems to believe is made of Green Cheese.

Rudy Guiliani is going to loose Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's going to flatten the competition in Florida, which is up after South Carolina. He'll take New York and California too. This is a race where size matters, and you can drive through New Hampshire in about twenty minutes and pass nothing but cows on the way.



Yeah, I'm sure he won't be affected by that scandal in which he is accused of having a mistress, using city funds to pay for his affair and using city cops to walk his dog. Can't see anything less than presidential there.

He's toast.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

DEC 03, 2007 09:52 AM

rayweeboy said:
I believe that Mike Huckabee has an excellent chance of being elected President of the moon. A place that he seems to believe is made of Green Cheese.

Rudy Guiliani is going to loose Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's going to flatten the competition in Florida, which is up after South Carolina. He'll take New York and California too. This is a race where size matters, and you can drive through New Hampshire in about twenty minutes and pass nothing but cows on the way.



I predict Rudy will take Massachusetts. . .

SPOILERS! (Click to view)
to the Hamptons for a threesome with his mistress.



Zarth

zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

DEC 03, 2007 10:04 AM

FearTheReaper said:

rayweeboy said:
I believe that Mike Huckabee has an excellent chance of being elected President of the moon. A place that he seems to believe is made of Green Cheese.

Rudy Guiliani is going to loose Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's going to flatten the competition in Florida, which is up after South Carolina. He'll take New York and California too. This is a race where size matters, and you can drive through New Hampshire in about twenty minutes and pass nothing but cows on the way.


Yeah, I'm sure he won't be affected by that 9/11 in which he is accused of having a 9/11, using 9/11 funds to pay for his 9/11 and using city 9/11 to 9/11 his 9/11. Can't see anything less than presidential there.

He's toast.


Fixed.

Maybe yes, maybe no. People can overlook certain peccadilloes for the sake of other considerations (see above), as when in 2004 the warheads voted in droves for a draftdodger over a decorated veteran (something that punditocracy seems to ignore is that the Swiftboat Ads were really about shoring up the Republican base, not about changing any minds that weren't already made up). Giuliani's already received the endorsement of Pat fucking Robertson, for Christ's sake (presumably literally, by Mr. Robertson's lights), and it's not like partisanship never trumps principles, especially among conservatives.

I'm not saying he's going to coast through all this shit - he's definitely got some serious drawbacks from a conservative perspective, especially a socially conservative one, and he's given little sign of working very hard to overcome those challenges. But I think it would be unwise to count him out at this stage of the game.

briansocal

briansocal

Pomona, CA
January 2006

DEC 03, 2007 06:08 PM

checkeredbob said:
as if there is a legitimate democratic candidate? Hillary and Osama ...... Yeah Right!



There is, but the guy with the most money and corporate support, wins the election. All these people care about is abortion rights.
This article is based off of what? Straw Poles?? Or land line telephone conversations?
Come on, once again, the writers on this site Blow.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

DEC 03, 2007 08:48 PM

briansocal said:
This article is based off of what? Straw Poles?? Or land line telephone conversations?



You really are a sad, sad, little man.

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

DEC 03, 2007 09:14 PM

briansocal said:

checkeredbob said:
as if there is a legitimate democratic candidate? Hillary and Osama ...... Yeah Right!



There is, but the guy with the most money and corporate support, wins the election. All these people care about is abortion rights.
This article is based off of what? Straw Poles?? Or land line telephone conversations?
Come on, once again, the writers on this site Blow.



Ron Paul 2008! whatever

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

DEC 03, 2007 09:46 PM

briansocal said:

checkeredbob said:
as if there is a legitimate democratic candidate? Hillary and Osama ...... Yeah Right!



There is, but the guy with the most money and corporate support, wins the election. All these people care about is abortion rights.
This article is based off of what? Straw Poles?? Or land line telephone conversations?
Come on, once again, the writers on this site Blow.



Guy who regularly mauls the English language, meet me defying you to do better.

_margot_

_margot_

Los Angeles, CA
December 2007

DEC 03, 2007 09:47 PM

BlastProcessing said:

briansocal said:

checkeredbob said:
as if there is a legitimate democratic candidate? Hillary and Osama ...... Yeah Right!



There is, but the guy with the most money and corporate support, wins the election. All these people care about is abortion rights.
This article is based off of what? Straw Poles?? Or land line telephone conversations?
Come on, once again, the writers on this site Blow.



Guy who wouldn't know how to do it better if God himself granted him the ability, meet me defying you to do better.



seriously. Good call, sir

BlastProcessing

BlastProcessing

USA
OLD SKOOL

DEC 03, 2007 09:52 PM

You got me before the edit, though. I don't like how I used "better" twice there.

Toku666

Toku666

Columbus, OH
May 2004

DEC 04, 2007 02:27 AM

He couldn't give up his precious question marks?

Or his Straw Poles??

Try for three???

mingol

mingol

Singapore
July 2005

DEC 04, 2007 05:12 AM

briansocal said:
This article is based off of what? Straw Poles??


Can someone please ban this racist?

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

DEC 04, 2007 07:05 AM

rayweeboy said:
I believe that Mike Huckabee has an excellent chance of being elected President of the moon. A place that he seems to believe is made of Green Cheese.

Rudy Guiliani is going to loose Iowa and New Hampshire, but he's going to flatten the competition in Florida, which is up after South Carolina. He'll take New York and California too. This is a race where size matters, and you can drive through New Hampshire in about twenty minutes and pass nothing but cows on the way.



Yeah, I can't imagine how a "folksy" former governor of a Southern state who panders to evangelical Christians and talks about lowering taxes could ever stand a chance of winning the GOP nomination, let alone the general election.

Oh, wait...

SockPuppet

SockPuppet

I'm lost
July 2006

DEC 04, 2007 02:53 PM

briansocal said:
Come on, once again, the writers on this site Blow.



Nothing prevents you from submitting your own articles. You can do better, I'm sure.

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