smithers_jones said:
Actually, just good-ole fashioned 'retard' works just fine.

What else would you call some one in 2007 who supports a candidate that opposes the Civil Rights Act and wants to overturn provisions in the 14th Amendment?

Hey, it's cool. He's totally honest about it.

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

NOV 27, 2007 01:33 PM

"Throwback" is a pretty good one for that. Or "Chief Justice Rehnquist," if you want to be a little whimsical about it.

Formus

Milwaukee, WI

May 2007

NOV 27, 2007 01:35 PM

Zarth said:

"Throwback" is a pretty good one for that. Or "Chief Justice Rehnquist," if you want to be a little whimsical about it.

"Senator Robert Byrd"

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

NOV 27, 2007 01:37 PM

Formus said:

Zarth said:

"Throwback" is a pretty good one for that. Or "Chief Justice Rehnquist," if you want to be a little whimsical about it.

"Senator Robert Byrd"

"Soon to be ex-Senator/overpaid lobbyist Trent Lott."

joker_

Minneapolis, MN

October 2005

NOV 27, 2007 01:56 PM

ThisWeekInTime said:
I've extensively researched his policies, personal belief, voting record and so on. I got it covered, I've also written extensively about his policies.

One of the things I have a hard time grasping is the return of a gold standard -- that is something that I don't believe will work. However, I also believe that the Fed has a little too much unchecked control, which causes me, as an American, to be very weary of it. So, that is one of the things I do not necessarily agree with, and I'm using it as an example to show that I have researched this candidate. However, I like the fact that Paul is open towards thrusting more scrutiny upon how our money system is controlled. The big fix? I don't know it yet. As it is, things are going alright.

Anyway, I wasn't going to write extensively about why I support Ron Paul, that isn't what this article is about. It's about taking the time to reasearch and know your candidates instead of doing whatever college cool shindig is popping up on the psuedo-intellectual radar.

Ya dig?

I think you be surprised at how much digging goes on here, with regards to research. Also, on these CE boards many of the people you're interacting with are far past paying attention to college cool shindigs, mostly because they haven't been to college in a long time.

So, with that said.

Why don't you explain to us about Ron Paul and his policies and why you are a supporter?

Formus

Milwaukee, WI

May 2007

NOV 27, 2007 02:05 PM

joker_ said:
Why don't you explain to us about Ron Paul and his policies and why you are a supporter?

Make this fun.

William_Mac

Savannah, GA

November 2007

NOV 27, 2007 07:19 PM

joker_ said:

To be completely honest, I'll get flogged at every end for it on this board. It's obvious people don't support or like the guy on this Board. That's fine, but it certainly makes no sense to add more fuel to the fire.

I wrote this little article in order to stress the importance of knowing why we support our candidates. Might as well leave it at that.

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

NOV 27, 2007 07:23 PM

oyaji said:

Zarth said:

oyaji said:

Zarth said:
A cult of personality is not unusual. It is, in fact, historically the most common form of human government.

It is?

Also, not sure that I agree that it is a "form of human government." Not sure that I know what "human government" means at all, in fact.

Divine kingship. Surely even a blinkered law-peddler like yourself must have heard of that. States as diverse as Pharaonic Egypt and the ostensibly Marxist Soviet Union have employed some form of it in their political organization.

Also, once upon a time, I was a historian. My history pimp hand is strong.

So you say, scrivener.

joker_

Minneapolis, MN

October 2005

NOV 27, 2007 07:34 PM

ThisWeekInTime said:
To be completely honest, I'll get flogged at every end for it on this board. It's obvious people don't support or like the guy on this Board. That's fine, but it certainly makes no sense to add more fuel to the fire.

I wrote this little article in order to stress the importance of knowing why we support our candidates. Might as well leave it at that.

It is true, these boards can be a little rough sometimes. However, people do respect intellectually honest discourse, and you might even learn something if you're able to engage in discussion without sinking to insults (I think you might have done that once already).

If you're able to present the policies of his that you agree with to this crowd, without attaching the passion and emotion of the Ronpauloompas, perhaps we'll all learn something.

You'd have to be willing to accept that some people will point out large flaws in his policies, and that some of those people will have extremely good reasoning and evidence to support what they are saying.

If you're willing to give it a go, I'd recommend discussing policies only, not the man himself.

Many here, myself included see him as a racialist and it isn't going to be possible to change that opinion. However, policies exist independent to the man, yes?

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

NOV 27, 2007 07:44 PM

oyaji said:

Zarth said:

oyaji said:

Zarth said:

oyaji said:
It is?

Also, not sure that I agree that it is a "form of human government." Not sure that I know what "human government" means at all, in fact.

Also, once upon a time, I was a historian. My history pimp hand is strong.

So you say, scrivener.

Them's fightin' words. I am a golden, ubermenschian law god stalking the landscape and terrorizing the SEC. Widows and orphans, beware.

Say it in rap and I might be impressed.

oyaji said:

Zarth said:

"Throwback" is a pretty good one for that. Or "Chief Justice Rehnquist," if you want to be a little whimsical about it.

Rehnquist died in 2005.

I know. That's what makes it whimsical.

mamet

Charleston, SC

March 2005

NOV 27, 2007 07:47 PM

ThisWeekInTime said:
Thanks for an intelligent response. Something I've been toggling back and forth is how to remove humanity in the passion-blind, overly-emotional, personal moral sense from politics all together. I don't believe that passion, emotion and feelings have a place in politics or government or any decision making situation remotely related.

I believe that these things should only thrive off of pure fact and un-biased reason from the beginning. Won't happen though, but that's how I approach everything. It's just silly to allow yourself to get riled up by what a candidate says either negatively or positively, and it's even worse to vote or offer support or withdraw support under the same blind emotion.

I would like to know, with all sincerity, how you propose one even manages to divorce emotion and opinion from their political beliefs? Not only do I not thing it's wise, I'm not even sure how it's possible. Because, really, what is fact? And I'm not being obtuse. Now, for example, it is a fact that Ron Paul wants to return to a gold standard, as you mentioned. But how different people react to that proposition has nothing to do with fact. Either you think it is sound or you don't for a variety of reasons, but those are based on your opinion and interpretation of what that will do. And those opinions are of course shaped by who you are as a person. Now, I think Ron Paul is a racist. In my thinking, that is factual. But there are certainly others who have completely differing interpretations of that. How can we base out decisions on fact if we can't agree on what facts are? Political ideas are inherently based in emotion (not necessarily "blind" emotion) and opinion.

Beyond being impossible, why would you even want that? You're essentially asking people to deny their feelings, their being human to become automatons, coolly and precisely making decisions about things that have lasting and important impacts on their lives, and the lives of future generations. I'm sorry, but I want people to agonize and wrestle over those things.

StarBelliedBoy

Philadelphia, PA

December 2003

NOV 27, 2007 07:53 PM

joker_ said:
perhaps we'll all learn something.

What're you, new here?

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

NOV 27, 2007 08:14 PM

oyaji said:
How 'bout if I say it while I rap your forehead on a curb?

You're welcome to try, trollboy.

oyaji said:
But why would you call someone CJ Rehnquist in 2007? That's not whimsical. It's anachronistic.

zarth

Seattle, WA

December 2004

NOV 27, 2007 08:31 PM

oyaji said:

Zarth said:

oyaji said:
How 'bout if I say it while I rap your forehead on a curb?

You're welcome to try, trollboy.

I'll send you busfare to New York and we can meet outside my apartment building in Harlem. Curbside beat-downs are appreciated in my neck of the woods.

You do that. I look forward to drinking wine from your broken skull.

smithers_jones

I'm lost

November 2003

NOV 27, 2007 08:31 PM

I took the liberty of crafting a few Ron Paul 2008 campaign slogans:

Transparent Racism You Can Trust

Pray You Never Need to Get an Abortion

A 19th Century President for the 21st Century

Finally Giving Straight White Guys a Voice in Government

Staunchly Defending the Parts of Constitution I Agree With

Tinyhobo

Boulder City, NV

December 2006

NOV 27, 2007 08:34 PM

smithers_jones said:
I took the liberty of crafting a few Ron Paul 2008 campaign slogans:

Transparent Racism You Can Trust

Pray You Never Need to Get an Abortion

A 19th Century President for the 21st Century

Finally Giving Straight White Guys a Voice in Government

Staunchly Defending the Parts of Constitution I Agree With

Oh. Win.

RudieCantFail

Baton Rouge, LA

January 2006

NOV 27, 2007 08:41 PM

oyaji said:
My history pimp hand is strong.

I LOL'D

smithers_jones

I'm lost

November 2003

NOV 27, 2007 09:07 PM

Tinyhobo said:

Oh. Win.

I knew my two degrees in Political Science would one day pay off.

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