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Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

NOV 08, 2007 09:36 PM

Chriztian said:
I love how two of the most intelligent responses have been from people in Ecuador and Japan.

americans control china, to get cheaper everything and the blame goes on china



oh you Americans with your heads stuck up in your own shit perspective, do us all a favour and go eat another toy.


If we didn't think Globalization was such a good thing and reward corporations who now carry nearly 100% foreign produced goods (Walmart) with our continued patronage we might not have these problems. Walmart forces its suppliers to provide the absolute lowest cost on items, or they will find them somewhere else. This in turn has an effect on all other products in the same category because they will lose sales to the walmart brand because it is cheaper and Americans will almost always buy the cheaper product.
We protect our corporations and give them tax breaks while they pay us shit, actively work against unionization, buy our politicians, and generally rape us. I seriously doubt China as a country is purposefully attempting to kill us. Its more like our own unbridled capitalist ambitions are.


Ordinarily I respect and generally agree with your posts, but blaming the United States for the excesses of Chinese capitalism is implausible, at best.

The Chinese have their own agendas, and make their own policies. Certainly, they don't do so in a vacuum, but neither are America or its corporations so omnipotent that all evil in the world can be traced directly back to them.

That's just a species of arrogance, actually.

People all over are greedy, exploitative, and intolerant. Americans may have more weight in the world than most, but they have no monopoly on those traits.

That being said, your actual comment is not inaccurate. American predatory capitalism is a socially (and ultimately economically) destructive force, for the reasons you observe. But your comment remains incomplete, because it leaves aside Chinese motives (and culpability) entirely. I'm not about to suggest that they're to destroy us - that's ludicrous, obviously. But they have their own version of predatory capitalism, for their own reasons (and if anything it's doing more damage to themselves than to their export markets).

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

NOV 08, 2007 09:49 PM

Zarth said:
I'm not about to suggest that they're to destroy us - that's ludicrous, obviously. But they have their own version of predatory capitalism, for their own reasons (and if anything it's doing more damage to themselves than to their export markets).

But, but, I thought the Chinese were dirty commies!

Khoakoneh

Khoakoneh

Japan
December 2003

NOV 08, 2007 10:18 PM



Well, that's what happens when you have no sense of humor and take something completely absurd as real. Good luck with that, it seems to be working so far.



tongue

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

NOV 08, 2007 11:01 PM

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:
I'm not about to suggest that they're to destroy us - that's ludicrous, obviously. But they have their own version of predatory capitalism, for their own reasons (and if anything it's doing more damage to themselves than to their export markets).


But, but, I thought the Chinese were dirty commies!


That was before the Four Modernizations. Now they're dirty capitalists just like everybody else (except for the dirty Islamists and dirty socialists).

There are no dirty Commies anymore.

Except for me.

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

NOV 08, 2007 11:12 PM

Zarth said:

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:
I'm not about to suggest that they're to destroy us - that's ludicrous, obviously. But they have their own version of predatory capitalism, for their own reasons (and if anything it's doing more damage to themselves than to their export markets).


But, but, I thought the Chinese were dirty commies!


That was before the Four Modernizations. Now they're dirty capitalists just like everybody else (except for the dirty Islamists and dirty socialists).

There are no dirty Commies anymore.

Except for me.

And Castro. Or is he just a dirty socialist?

Zarth

Zarth

Seattle, WA
December 2004

NOV 08, 2007 11:17 PM

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:
I'm not about to suggest that they're to destroy us - that's ludicrous, obviously. But they have their own version of predatory capitalism, for their own reasons (and if anything it's doing more damage to themselves than to their export markets).


But, but, I thought the Chinese were dirty commies!


That was before the Four Modernizations. Now they're dirty capitalists just like everybody else (except for the dirty Islamists and dirty socialists).

There are no dirty Commies anymore.

Except for me.


And Castro. Or is he just a dirty socialist?


Actually I'm pretty sure he's a dirty Commie.

I don't know how to classify Kim Jong-Il, though. Technically he's a Stalinist, but I think he's actually just too damn weird to be considered an actual Commie. Commies aren't usually that weird.

artpie

artpie

Winston Salem, NC
December 2003

NOV 08, 2007 11:47 PM

now that's what I call a "Pinko"

emotedcreations

emotedcreations

Germany
July 2006

NOV 09, 2007 12:14 AM

Zarth said:

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:

emotedcreations said:

Zarth said:
I'm not about to suggest that they're to destroy us - that's ludicrous, obviously. But they have their own version of predatory capitalism, for their own reasons (and if anything it's doing more damage to themselves than to their export markets).


But, but, I thought the Chinese were dirty commies!


That was before the Four Modernizations. Now they're dirty capitalists just like everybody else (except for the dirty Islamists and dirty socialists).

There are no dirty Commies anymore.

Except for me.


And Castro. Or is he just a dirty socialist?


Actually I'm pretty sure he's a dirty Commie.

I don't know how to classify Kim Jong-Il, though. Technically he's a Stalinist, but I think he's actually just too damn weird to be considered an actual Commie. Commies aren't usually that weird.



Sweet, I guess I'm a dirty commie then. wink

PaulNikon

PaulNikon

Melbourne, FL
February 2003

NOV 09, 2007 01:10 AM

Communists.

FallenKnight

FallenKnight

Lubbock, TX
November 2007

NOV 09, 2007 01:32 AM

Cerwen said:

Shell_Shock said:
I have said it before and I will say it again:

CHINA IS NOT OUR FRIEND. puke



At least not until we merge into one country and start living in space ships while shooting guns and wondering where the grenades are...........



Greatest. Comment. Ever.

BatAttaK

BatAttaK

Seattle, WA
OLD SKOOL

NOV 09, 2007 05:48 AM

syndeusys said:


btw, gbh which you and the associated press are identifying as a 'date rape' drug is taken recreationally, on purpose, and not with the intent of raping someone. the cases of drugging someone with gbh, roofies, or long island ice teas are absolutely henious, but they are few and far between.


While this is mostly correct the drug is GHB for Gamma HydroxyButyrate not GBH what the press also neglects to mention is that it isn't some awful destructive street drug but rather a pharmaceutical drug that has passed through the FDA and now goes by the name of Xyrem (sodium oxybate). While overdose can cause "coma" and the like it isn't a coma in the traditional sense as people don't stay in the "coma" but wake up after a few days they are just unresponsive while sleeping.



In all honesty...I don't think I would like to ingest GBH either. biggrin

strndniowa

strndniowa

Grimes, IA
May 2007

NOV 09, 2007 06:30 AM

Utter BS- my two year old ate some of those damn things- thank god he threw up...another note- they expand to five times their size when eaten puke
Why are all of the new toys that claim to be safe anything but...I mean outside of the lead/china thing, who the hell designs these things? I think my kids would be better off with a couple of old, rusty Tonka toys....
And sorry- the China thing is what we get for outsourcing damn near all manufacturing in the country overseas for the cheap labor... what happened to "Made in USA"...and how are Americans supposed to keep buying this cheap crap if they all just lost their job at Maytag/GM etc. because the plant just moved to China or Mexico...
We've got some problems here folks....and most of it goes back to corporate greed, and...Bush...

edith

edith

France
April 2006

NOV 09, 2007 06:59 AM

Poe said:

ColdRobot said:
While each of these toy recalls is upsetting and the topic of toy safety deserves to be discussed, why is parental responsibility NEVER considered in any of this? I have two girls under age 3, and there is no way in hell my child could consume several dozen of anything without my or my wife's knowledge. I'm sure the age recommendation on this toy was well over 20 months (which another paper reported the child's age as). Who of us didn't play with far more dangerous toys as kids? What toy ISN'T dangerous or even deadly when you swallow several dozen of them? You have to watch your kids -- it's a fact. Take the poison out of this toy and swallowing a ton of them is still dangerous...


The CPSC said a boy nearly 2 years old "swallowed several dozen beads. He became dizzy and vomited several times before slipping into a comatose state." The toddler was hospitalized and has since fully recovered, the commission added.



Uh oh... while I was writing this my child swallowed 9 Bratz-doll heads and now she's sick! I'm calling a lawyer...


Seriously, wtf. The Recommended Age on the box is 6 - 11 years. It's made of BEADS AND SMALL PARTS, whether they're toxic or not. So many fucking irresponsible idiot parents, and we're blaming China. whatever



um...you guys are both wrong in this case.

6-11 year olds put things in their mouth all the time. pretty much all kids suck and chew on those plastic perler beads (a similar product to this one). in fact i have too...because i know how they stick to the inside of your cheeks when you bite on them. human beings put stuff in their mouth all the time. how many adults chew up their pen caps?

and i don't know one parent who has managed to police every single thing a child has put into their mouth. you know...at the park there are rocks? sometimes buttons and small toy bits fall off? older kids have barbies with small shoes? a dime fell between the couch cushions?

gimme a break, it has nothing to do with bad parenting whatever when toys have toxins on them.

Chainlink

Chainlink

Key West, FL
August 2005

NOV 09, 2007 09:03 AM

I'm a little ticked off with the inflammatory use of the term " date rape drug". Seems like a whole bunch of drama added to hype the story. Couldn't just say toxic substance ? Every toxic substance with the side effect of causing unconsciousness is not a date rape drug.
I would have to say that intent is what makes a "date Rape drug" and was anyone putting this substance on toys in order to rape the toddlers they are play with ? No. They are not.

Obviously China has some work to do regarding safety, but this seems way over hyped.

defaultx

defaultx

I'm lost
February 2006

NOV 09, 2007 07:20 PM

lol ,whats the fuss? america was china 60 yrs ago .

raw ,anything goes capitalism! go big red!

soulcompromise

soulcompromise

I'm lost
November 2006

NOV 10, 2007 12:06 AM

reminded me of:

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

NOV 10, 2007 10:52 AM

Skywisdom said:
If you don't eat the lead, the terrorists win. Ron Paul '08!



Wall candy?

I have a feeling Ron Paul ate the wall candy when he was a kid.

on edit: preposition redisposition?

fountainofdreams

fountainofdreams

Mokena, IL
January 2005

NOV 10, 2007 10:54 AM

Cerwen said:

Shell_Shock said:
I have said it before and I will say it again:

CHINA IS NOT OUR FRIEND. puke



At least not until we merge into one country and start living in space ships while shooting guns and wondering where the grenades are...........



Well, and when that country starts experimenting on the brains of 13 year old girls.

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