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minimalism

minimalism

Argentina
OLD SKOOL

NOV 05, 2007 01:45 PM

Fixer said:

TheFox said:

Fixer said:

The point is, they HAVE been paid.



But they haven't been paid for the work that they do. Not fairly, anyway.



Define "fair". Are you paid fairly for the work you do at your job? Do you get paid more if your boss makes more off your work than originally planned?

What if everyone in the market started doing this? You'd have to fill out an application of intended usage at the office supply store when you want to buy paper, just in case the thing you create is sold for cash, they need their cut! Or a restaurant may have to pay more for their produce if they make 2 dishes with the spinach instead of just the 1.



Do you even realize what a pathetic reach you are attempting to make?

Clidna

Clidna

Canada
January 2005

NOV 05, 2007 01:45 PM

And what the fuck happened to the edit button, BTW??? Somebody better have an explanation for this... mad

KingHELL

kinghell

Portland, OR
July 2003

NOV 05, 2007 01:55 PM

Fingers crossed. You've got my support, for all that's worth.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 05, 2007 02:05 PM

Fixer said:
Define "fair". Are you paid fairly for the work you do at your job? Do you get paid more if your boss makes more off your work than originally planned?

What if everyone in the market started doing this? You'd have to fill out an application of intended usage at the office supply store when you want to buy paper, just in case the thing you create is sold for cash, they need their cut! Or a restaurant may have to pay more for their produce if they make 2 dishes with the spinach instead of just the 1.

Whatever, there are a bunch of examples to show that this is not the only way to do things, and that the writers (and anyone working for tips, er, residuals) are working under an antiquated system that they are trying desperately to hold onto. Why not get rid of it and just negotiate a fair fee for the work done and move on to write more stuff?



Ah, the old 'free market can and should be applied to anything and everything' argument. And it's oh so easy to explain how to can be applied using the simplest of comparisons, influencing only the stupid. It's too bad that reality is so much more harsh.

Studios will be making money off of these shows and movies for years to come. And with the Internet becoming faster, studios are going to be able to sell more advertising space online resulting in increased revenue as you point and click to view whatever you want, whenever you want. So you can argue that the system is 'antiquated', but it's a double standard when it you apply it to writers and not the media conglomerates who will make money off of a show made in 1988 and will generate advertising revenue in 2008.

And that's ignoring the fact that writers aren't fucking short order cooks. You can't just hire writers off the street and expect a quality product. Most of the writers that work in the entertainment industry are bright, highly educated yet receive middle-class income, and many work project to project. Without residuals, many would have to pick up second jobs in between projects, and that doesn't leave a lot of time for the creative process to work. They're are not rich, most are working class people like most Americans, yet responsible for the higher quality of entertainment we see out of the industry.

_kungfoo_

_kungfoo_

Los Angeles, CA
April 2005

NOV 05, 2007 02:07 PM

Clidna said:
And what the fuck happened to the edit button, BTW??? Somebody better have an explanation for this... mad



It's the Y2K.

DeceptiviewFilm

DeceptiviewFilm

Parlin, NJ
February 2004

NOV 05, 2007 02:12 PM

As a writer I sympathize. I hope they get what they want at least a new DENTAL PLAN!!!!!

Ferretbite

Ferretbite

Mexico
September 2006

NOV 05, 2007 02:13 PM

Good luck with your movement, even though you kind of ruined my expectations to see how craptastic The Big Bang Theory was with that comment, at least I can still get my disappointment from Chuck...

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 05, 2007 02:17 PM

Ferretbite said:
Good luck with your movement, even though you kind of ruined my expectations to see how craptastic The Big Bang Theory was with that comment, at least I can still get my disappointment from Chuck...



You will be very disappointed in Chuck, so you have that to look forward to.

Fixer

Fixer

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

NOV 05, 2007 02:19 PM

Clidna said:

So you think that authors should just sell their books and not make any royalties off of them? That's ridiculous - when it comes to creative professions, the terms of employment obviously have to be different then working at a restaurant, a supply store, or an office.
And guess what - if my company makes more money then expected, then yes, I do get paid more - it's called a yearly bonus.



I do feel authors and musicians are in a different field, as it is their work, and their work alone, that is being sold to the consumer.

Film and tv is a very different beast.


As for your bonus, did you go on strike if your bonus was less than what you thought it should be?

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

NOV 05, 2007 02:27 PM

Fixer said:
I do feel authors and musicians are in a different field, as it is their work, and their work alone, that is being sold to the consumer.

Film and tv is a very different beast.



So the corporate executives who run publishing houses and record labels should pay royalties and/or residuals to the authors and musicians they make a huge profit off of, but the corporate executives who run movie and television studios should treat the writers they make a huge profit off of like day laborers?

joker_

joker_

Minneapolis, MN
October 2005

NOV 05, 2007 02:27 PM

FearTheReaper said:

Vestril said:
You guys seem like you've been checked out for a while, a lot of the new seasons have been taking a nosedive. Hope you come back with some good ideas.



I agree. The only new show I like is Life. The others are pretty bad. But, many of them were rushed. The studios wanted as many shows they could get. You can't rush a new show.



I like Life too. Wouldn't have ever seen it if that cheesy Bionic woman (which I am also following, lame, lame) didn't come on before it. I'm fairly impressed with the character study slant it has.

All the best to you and the other writers in your efforts. I hate fucking dishonest cheating assholes, and have very little tolerance for them. I really don't care if they're corporations or sole proprietor's, it is important that they they are fair in their business practices, if not then let loose the dogs of war.

I might be one of the few people who honestly would not care if all writers were multimillionaires and were still arguing about this. Getting a fair rate for services is what matters here, and it is obvious that is not happening. I'm glad that you are taking a stand against the greed driven, snaggle toothed, fuckwit behavior that has been raping people living in this country for years.

Good luck!

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

NOV 05, 2007 02:27 PM

Fixer said:
As for your bonus, did you go on strike if your bonus was less than what you thought it should be?



That is a ridiculous analogy and is nothing like the labor dispute in question.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 05, 2007 02:31 PM

Look who made the front page of the Hollywood Reporter

Your very own FearTheReaper.

Gillionaire

Gillionaire

Manchester, NH
February 2007

NOV 05, 2007 02:31 PM

Hope it all works out for you writer's in the end. Creative types get fucked over way too often in the corporate world, so I'm glad you're standing up for yourselves and what you need. Best wishes.

Fixer

Fixer

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

NOV 05, 2007 02:31 PM

Uncognitive said:
So the corporate executives who run publishing houses and record labels should pay royalties and/or residuals to the authors and musicians they make a huge profit off of, but the corporate executives who run movie and television studios should treat the writers they make a huge profit off of like day laborers?



There are a lot more people, skills and resources that go into any film or tv project than just writers.

Fixer

Fixer

Los Angeles, CA
October 2002

NOV 05, 2007 02:32 PM

smithers_jones said:

Fixer said:
As for your bonus, did you go on strike if your bonus was less than what you thought it should be?



That is a ridiculous analogy and is nothing like the labor dispute in question.



she brought up her yearly bonus, not me.

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

NOV 05, 2007 02:33 PM

FearTheReaper said:
Look who made the front page of the Hollywood Reporter

Your very own FearTheReaper.



Not your best angle.

Uncognitive

Uncognitive

Brooklyn, NY
May 2003

NOV 05, 2007 02:34 PM

Fixer said:

Uncognitive said:
So the corporate executives who run publishing houses and record labels should pay royalties and/or residuals to the authors and musicians they make a huge profit off of, but the corporate executives who run movie and television studios should treat the writers they make a huge profit off of like day laborers?



There are a lot more people, skills and resources that go into any film or tv project than just writers.



So then actors and directors should never be entitled to any residuals or profit sharing, because they're not the sole creative force involved?

Why not pay authors and musicians one lump sum for their creative works and never pay them royalties?

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 05, 2007 02:36 PM

smithers_jones said:

FearTheReaper said:
Look who made the front page of the Hollywood Reporter

Your very own FearTheReaper.



Not your best angle.



I think I look like a bit of an asshole.

FearTheReaper

FearTheReaper

NEWSWIRE

I'm lost

NOV 05, 2007 02:38 PM

Uncognitive said:

Fixer said:

Uncognitive said:
So the corporate executives who run publishing houses and record labels should pay royalties and/or residuals to the authors and musicians they make a huge profit off of, but the corporate executives who run movie and television studios should treat the writers they make a huge profit off of like day laborers?



There are a lot more people, skills and resources that go into any film or tv project than just writers.



So then actors and directors should never be entitled to any residuals or profit sharing, because they're not the sole creative force involved?

Why not pay authors and musicians one lump sum for their creative works and never pay them royalties?



Fixer apparently doesn't realize that crew unions health and pension is also based on royalties. So, if we caved he'd lose out when his union's turn came. But it is obvious he does not use his brain all that much.

Munke

Munke

Penngrove, CA
May 2004

NOV 05, 2007 02:40 PM

FearTheReaper said:

smithers_jones said:

FearTheReaper said:
Look who made the front page of the Hollywood Reporter

Your very own FearTheReaper.



Not your best angle.



I think I look like a bit of an asshole.


You look like someone with principles.
How people could make you folks out to be the bad guy in all this I'll never know...

Good luck and I hope the strike is a short one... for all the writer's sake.


smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

NOV 05, 2007 02:42 PM

Fixer said:

smithers_jones said:

Fixer said:
As for your bonus, did you go on strike if your bonus was less than what you thought it should be?



That is a ridiculous analogy and is nothing like the labor dispute in question.



she brought up her yearly bonus, not me.



Are being deliberately obtuse or do you not really get it?

smithers_jones

smithers_jones

I'm lost
November 2003

NOV 05, 2007 02:44 PM

Munke said:

FearTheReaper said:

smithers_jones said:

FearTheReaper said:
Look who made the front page of the Hollywood Reporter

Your very own FearTheReaper.



Not your best angle.



I think I look like a bit of an asshole.


You look like an asshole with principles.



Fixed.

dingoes8

dingoes8

Milwaukee, WI
March 2004

NOV 05, 2007 02:48 PM

It amazes me how little credit writers get. Every time I see "A Ridley Scott Film" or whoever, it pisses me off. You can have the best director and actors in the world, but there is no movie without a writer. Practically any other role in the production can be interchanged without essentially impacting the final piece, except the writer.

So yeah, 4 cents of the $20 I pay for a DVD goes to the person who is most responsible for the genesis of the movie? How is that fair?

mamet

mamet

Charleston, SC
March 2005

NOV 05, 2007 02:49 PM

Here's hoping it works out for you guys.

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