NEWS: University of Utah One Step Closer to "Fixing" Gay People?

OK, I'm no expert on Singapore law (just heard some stories). I had assumed the different forms of illegal sexual activity were covered by different laws. Not just lumped together in one section.

That Wikki is a bizarre read though...

Addition: (since the damn edit button doesn't seem to be working in Firefox )

377 has been repealed as of this month and 377A may be up for debate again soon.

(Apologies, I should have read through the entire wikki before posting my reply)

In this case, that would be my friend Erin.

Yes, but you have to be bisexual to enjoy them to their full extent.
Basically, what he said.

Awesome! Although, I would wonder how much of that is because women are just more likely than men to own up to having bisexual desires? I'm not sure, but its always seemed to me that some women grow up feeling that bisexuality can form part of a normal sex life for them, whereas men are taught that its a huge deal that will make people think less of them.

TheWriter said:

Jennifer_ said:

Chainlink said:
If you like this girl so much that you would like to be her lesbian love partner, thats gay.

I like her personality, but not her booty. Not that there's anything objectionable about her booty, but it doesn't have that certain je ne sais quois that male booty has. But if I was gay, her booty would then have the je ne sais quois, which would make life more fun.
Surprisingly, this actually makes sense to us. And yes, its an unusual in-joke, but hey, we have fun with it.

But hasn't anyone ever wondered what it would be like to be attracted to another gender in a way that you aren't currently? Surely its not just me.

Actually, I think I know exactly what you mean....

First of all, I'm fiercely appreciative of my sexuality, as I think most people are. But more precisely, I'm very aware that I would be missing out if I didn't appreciate the feminine form as I do. So aware, in fact, that I sometimes wonder what I'm missing out on.

I've often thought that were I lucky enough to have been born bisexual, I would appreciate both sexes more fully. And sometimes, I truly lament over my inability to admire men the way I do women.

It's not that I'm denying myself some deep, dark desire to kiss boys, it's simply acknowledging my own unfortunate limits.

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I'm just glad that girls are so pretty.

Yeah, um, you're sO hot. As soon as it's possible we should totally have genetic surgery and run away to Massachusetts together.

No, you really don't. You try them, then see how much you enjoy them, and whatever that is is the fullest extent. If it was good enough that it's worth repeating, you repeat, whether you're "bisexual" or not. I'm all for people having their own opinions, but the "I'm not bisexual so I can't explore sexuality" thing is truly confusing.

Actually, the Wikipedia page is a week or so out of date. The parliamentary debate over 377A took place last week, and is what I was referring to in my first post. Section 377 has been scrapped, but Section 377A - despite being the subject of an open letter to the Prime Minister and the first petition to be put before Parliament in over twenty years - was retained.

Disappointing - but not unexpected, I'm afraid.

But if you're bisexual, you can surely enjoy having sex with women to a greater extent than if you're straight? While I can shag girls now, the whole experience would leave me feeling a little bored. I wish I was bisexual so I could find it amazing, rather than boring.

I'm not lamenting the fact I can't explore sexuality - I can and I have. What I'm lamenting is the fact that while I can see sexual beauty in men, I can't see it in women. I think life would be richer if I could. I know how excited men make me, and I wish women made me feel the same way. Its such a simple concept!

Again, this is a really good explanation of what I'm getting at here.

Actually it's exactly what you lamented.

Chainlink said:

TheWriter said:

Jennifer_ said:

Chainlink said:
If you like this girl so much that you would like to be her lesbian love partner, thats gay.

I like her personality, but not her booty. Not that there's anything objectionable about her booty, but it doesn't have that certain je ne sais quois that male booty has. But if I was gay, her booty would then have the je ne sais quois, which would make life more fun.
Surprisingly, this actually makes sense to us. And yes, its an unusual in-joke, but hey, we have fun with it.

But hasn't anyone ever wondered what it would be like to be attracted to another gender in a way that you aren't currently? Surely its not just me.

Actually, I think I know exactly what you mean....

First of all, I'm fiercely appreciative of my sexuality, as I think most people are. But more precisely, I'm very aware that I would be missing out if I didn't appreciate the feminine form as I do. So aware, in fact, that I sometimes wonder what I'm missing out on.

I've often thought that were I lucky enough to have been born bisexual, I would appreciate both sexes more fully. And sometimes, I truly lament over my inability to admire men the way I do women.

It's not that I'm denying myself some deep, dark desire to kiss boys, it's simply acknowledging my own unfortunate limits.

SPOILERS! (Click to view)

I'm just glad that girls are so pretty.

Yeah, um, you're sO hot. As soon as it's possible we should totally have genetic surgery and run away to Massachusetts together.

I think I'd start a love train....

Sometimes it seems like people insist on the notion that in order to know for sure you're of a certain sexuality, you've got to "make sure". Like when people say, "How do you know you're gay? Have you ever tried fooling around with a member of the opposite sex? You ought to, you might like it."

One must think of being interested and being interested in being interested as two different orders of interest (try to keep up with me, here). I'm interested in women, but I'm not interested in men. On a different order, I'm interested in being interested in women, but I'm also interested in being interested in men. One of these orders is presumably concrete, whereas the other is a perception shaped by experience. I'm not sure I can be less vague than that...

I also feel the need to point out that just because something gets you off doesn't mean you're attracted to it. I don't even want to explore what life would be like if this were the case....Needless to say, the biological responses that men have to a warm, wet hole and the biological responses that women have to an Evinrude on a stick have little to do with actual attraction to one sex or another, despite popular belief.

The experience I was talking about there was feeling an attraction to women in the way that men, lesbians and bisexuals feel it - not just the ability to shag women, which I already have and am largely uninterested in. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

That's a fecking awesome movie.