NEWS: Happy Islamofascism Awareness Week!

Fisting can kill you. FYI.

Now this is a hypothetical, so bear with me. If Woody Guthrie were alive today, would his guitar be able to kill islamofascists?!

Did I just blow your mind?

Totally, and yes.

What about amerofacists?
Cryptofacists?
Cromagnofacists?
Conservative idiots?

serisouly. have we forgotten the ban function?

What? And spoil fun times like these?

who let the riff raff in?

Why don't you guys take Islamofascism seriously? You do know they're going to take over the world. They're the next Commies. Minus as well call them Islamocommies, if that suits your fancy.

"Minus as well?"

Tee hee somebody didn't go to the BST SCHL EVR in LONDON!

classist

I've been drinking. Give me a break. 'Cause I might as well say something mean...

This has turned into such an amusing thread...

oyaji said:

Clidna said:
This has turned into such an amusing thread...

It wasn't amusing when I took "conservative" and Jenni-Khanoum down to Chinatown and tore them to shreds?

Philistine.

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No, that wasn't amusing... that was AWESOME and HILARIOUS!

Well if it isn't my nemesis, Captain Takeshimselftooseriously! I'll have you know I went to the third best community college in the county*.

Yeah, well, I went to the best University in Canada*!!! #23!!!

Alrigtht guys & gals, let's just stop here.

The nation state as mentioned by conservative would be replaced by a Caliphate, in which Sharia law would rule, but only for Muslims. Non-muslims would be subjegate to a certain tax (the 'Dhimmi' [non muslim] would pay the 'Jizya' poll tax) relieving them, amongst other obligations, from military duty.

The ideology of the Caliphate is that which is is observed by many conservative Muslims, including the radicalised Al-Qaida movement. In the modern Islamist mindset there is an element of intolerence, stemming from the Dhimmi concept of a third class citizen not following the laws of God by choosing to adhere to a different religion. In that respect the intolerant islamist could be compared to a 1930's European fascist, but that 's more or less where the comparison ends, at least imho!

The Cordoba Caliphate was extremely diverse and very tolerant of different cultures and religions. Christians, Jews, and Muslims all lived peacefully and prosperously. You shouldn't generalize 'cause it just makes you look like an ass.

BTW--Guess who turned the Iberian Peninsula into a region of intolerance, subjugation, and repression? That's right, the Christians. So should we call Christians, Cristanofascists?

I wasn't generalising intentionally - I was just trying to describe the concept which was touched on by conservative in his posting on the first page of this thread. I had hoped to provide a fairly impartial and hopefully historically correct description of the concept of the Caliphate and then extrapolate this to a modern world setting to explain how the more extreme radical groups could "motivate" an intolerant ideology. Of course it goes without saying that these radicals are a tiny minority of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims.

And sorry if anyone was offended - it certainly wasn't my intention!

And of course should anyone require more information, Wikipedia contains detailed and extensive articles on all of the abovementioned concepts. I just tried to provide a very short summary! And I certainly didn't mean to equate Islam with fascism - quite the opposite in fact!

And indeed emotedcreation, the Spanish Inquisition is a horror story worthy of it's own thread!

Or am I being too serious for this thread?

I think that the notion of the Caliphate is a classic conservative (not fascist) notion because it entails rolling back the clock (for lack of a better phrase) to a past glory. Fascist ideology utilizes myths and nostalgia for the past but consistently advocates creation of something new. Moreover, the notion of a Caliphate differs from the fascist idea of a nation because one can enter into the Caliphate through conversion and at least theoretically become a full citizen/member of the community. Fascist ideology presents a conception of the nation that has some sort of "natural" members that have a special spirit and worldview shaped by their cultural or ethnic heritage.

Some people like to compare the notion of the Caliphate to Mussolini's rhetoric about a New Roman Empire. Of course, the crucial difference is that Mussolini wasn't actually advocating a literal recreation of the Roman Empire in full.

Therein lies your problem. JK, I apologize for my strong language I may have misread your intent.

Don't worry you'd have to say some pretty bad shit for people around here to get offended.

I see now that you weren't, but it's kinda confusing why you brought it up when and how you did. It was just a little out of place. You're new here, so it'll slide, but just an FYI there are a lot of really intelligent people here that know about Caliphates and what they entail.

Nothing wrong with being serious in CE.

As an aside, I'd be more careful using the word "compare" you can compare apples and oranges, but it doesn't make them the same; and when you drop into a thread that's objecting to a fallacious comparison between two different historical/political concepts it could be misperceived (like I did).

Good day, no hard feelings.

Oh yeah, and listen to RedBstrd on this stuff. He's way more informed and articulate than I ever could be on the subject, and a lot of stuff in general.

I think he should get kudos for skipping over the entire "debate" with prissy Ms. I-Go-To-School, but immediately lose them for attempting to seriously reply to conservative.

lol--I totally forgot that was even in this thread. I guess it's easy for me to ignore raving trolls.

**man I'm a poor speeler*

Probably more like half and half. Well 1/8 and 7/8.
The 1/8 invent the terms, the other 7/8 run with them.

Actually, you're quite wrong. Islam is very much in support of equal terms for men and women. Mohammed worked for his first wife who ran her own business before he married her and he continued support of his wives' independence. The obsession with covering up was actually a part of the culture of places in the Middle East where Islam spread. Initially, only upper-class women were allowed to veil by law. A lower-class woman could be killed for veiling. This is why the restrictions on veiling differ from place to place in the Middle East. It is more an issue of regional/local culture than Islam itself. Try to remember that the majority of people who are Muslims do not even live in the Middle East. They do not care who is Shia or Sunni. As a matter of fact, try to remember that not everyone in the Middle East is Muslim. I know it's hard...I know it's easier to be force fed your bad information from the media.

BTW, fighting them "over there" isn't protecting us over here. If we have to make up ridiculous concepts to worry over like Islamofascism, instead of focusing on the real issues in our country, they are winning by distraction alone.